964 Prices
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i drove a few 64, 3.2... leaky motors, soft floaty tired suspension, very poor throttle response during tip in. i know these are dated cars but itsnot quite like what i remember with these cars at all.
to fix a valve cover leak would be as much as an used toyata vibe/matrix drivetrain here in the usa. elise are pretty darn reliable other than a few plastic interor parts hear and there. ive driven a whole slew of them.
to fix a valve cover leak would be as much as an used toyata vibe/matrix drivetrain here in the usa. elise are pretty darn reliable other than a few plastic interor parts hear and there. ive driven a whole slew of them.
Instructor
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 112
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tcabler
given the low power the elise its a phenomenon weapon on the circuit. Ive driven a dozen of the elise based cars and S1 exige Cup racer, opel speedster, S1, S2 turboed, exige etc…in my humble opinion its probably the most focus track car one can buy out of the dealership in recent memory. Having said that its also the worst road car.
The thing is, im smitten with the 964. It has a perfect combination of old school charm of the early cars while being modern enough to drive in todays environment. Lets just say ive got severe 911 fever and would be a purchase from the heart. Let me know if you are interested in selling your 964?
Warm regards
pf
given the low power the elise its a phenomenon weapon on the circuit. Ive driven a dozen of the elise based cars and S1 exige Cup racer, opel speedster, S1, S2 turboed, exige etc…in my humble opinion its probably the most focus track car one can buy out of the dealership in recent memory. Having said that its also the worst road car.
The thing is, im smitten with the 964. It has a perfect combination of old school charm of the early cars while being modern enough to drive in todays environment. Lets just say ive got severe 911 fever and would be a purchase from the heart. Let me know if you are interested in selling your 964?
Warm regards
pf
Three Wheelin'
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 1,595
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From: Switzerland
One thing you will miss from an air cooled 911, is the wonderful sound track.
They are in classes really, whilst both can be used for the same purposes, the Elise is that much smaller, may be louder,but not in a good way.
I came very close to buying a series 2 car, set up for the track 300 bhp. I never drove it, but I think I can guess what it was like and just thinking about it now gets me excited.
I didn't go through with it as I decided it was not for me at that time. However, I think I would buy one as another ride, not as a replacement for the 911.
A friend of mine had a S2 Elise, loved it, but bought the Europa as he found the Elise too unrefined and noisy. He really rates the Europa, his wife doesn't though, but thats another story.
They are in classes really, whilst both can be used for the same purposes, the Elise is that much smaller, may be louder,but not in a good way.
I came very close to buying a series 2 car, set up for the track 300 bhp. I never drove it, but I think I can guess what it was like and just thinking about it now gets me excited.
I didn't go through with it as I decided it was not for me at that time. However, I think I would buy one as another ride, not as a replacement for the 911.
A friend of mine had a S2 Elise, loved it, but bought the Europa as he found the Elise too unrefined and noisy. He really rates the Europa, his wife doesn't though, but thats another story.
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tcabler
given the low power the elise its a phenomenon weapon on the circuit. Ive driven a dozen of the elise based cars and S1 exige Cup racer, opel speedster, S1, S2 turboed, exige etc…in my humble opinion its probably the most focus track car one can buy out of the dealership in recent memory. Having said that its also the worst road car.
The thing is, im smitten with the 964. It has a perfect combination of old school charm of the early cars while being modern enough to drive in todays environment. Lets just say ive got severe 911 fever and would be a purchase from the heart. Let me know if you are interested in selling your 964?
Warm regards
pf
given the low power the elise its a phenomenon weapon on the circuit. Ive driven a dozen of the elise based cars and S1 exige Cup racer, opel speedster, S1, S2 turboed, exige etc…in my humble opinion its probably the most focus track car one can buy out of the dealership in recent memory. Having said that its also the worst road car.
The thing is, im smitten with the 964. It has a perfect combination of old school charm of the early cars while being modern enough to drive in todays environment. Lets just say ive got severe 911 fever and would be a purchase from the heart. Let me know if you are interested in selling your 964?
Warm regards
pf
-steve
Three Wheelin'
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 1,505
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From: Boston
I've got the opposite problem. I have a 964 but would gladly trade it for a Lotus elise. Love my 964 but love the exotic styling, and from what I've heard, phenomenal handling and quickness of the elise. Furthermore, I've heard maintenance on the elise is much more affordable. Anyone out there that can honestly talk me out of the elise v. the 964?
Maintenance is dirt cheap. Parts are cheap. Its fairly simple to work on. Bodywork is delicate, but its a fairly tough car. The transmission is the only let down in terms of feel, and accuracy.
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Wish you had concidered months ago. I sold my second s111 car ( had an exige and a supercharged elise).
Maintenance is dirt cheap. Parts are cheap. Its fairly simple to work on. Bodywork is delicate, but its a fairly tough car. The transmission is the only let down in terms of feel, and accuracy.
Maintenance is dirt cheap. Parts are cheap. Its fairly simple to work on. Bodywork is delicate, but its a fairly tough car. The transmission is the only let down in terms of feel, and accuracy.
My problem is that most of the lotus elises out there are low to mid $30K price range and I'll be doing good to get $25K for my 964. I'm in no shape to "trade UP" at this time.
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5th Gear
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 5
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1989 C4 purchase price (in USD please): $20,000
purchase date: April 2013
mileage: 140,000
state or country where purchased: usa
Model year: 1989
C2 or C4: C4
Coupe, targa or cab: Coupe
color: GP White
tip or manual: M
NA or turbo: NA
Bilstiens, RUF steering wheel, Steve Wong Chip
did the vehicle come with tool kit: Yes
did the vehicle come with tire inflator kit: no
your assessment of the vehicle history in terms of paperwork/receipts (1-10, 10 being highest): 8
your assessment of the interior quality (1-10, 10 being highest): 8
your assessment of the exterior quality (1-10, 10 being highest): 10
your assessment of the mechanical condition 8
Clean car, owned by Gene Hackman originally, Couldn't be happier. GPW with tan New Mexico car.
purchase date: April 2013
mileage: 140,000
state or country where purchased: usa
Model year: 1989
C2 or C4: C4
Coupe, targa or cab: Coupe
color: GP White
tip or manual: M
NA or turbo: NA
Bilstiens, RUF steering wheel, Steve Wong Chip
did the vehicle come with tool kit: Yes
did the vehicle come with tire inflator kit: no
your assessment of the vehicle history in terms of paperwork/receipts (1-10, 10 being highest): 8
your assessment of the interior quality (1-10, 10 being highest): 8
your assessment of the exterior quality (1-10, 10 being highest): 10
your assessment of the mechanical condition 8
Clean car, owned by Gene Hackman originally, Couldn't be happier. GPW with tan New Mexico car.
Racer
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 432
Likes: 1
From: Columbus, OH
Purchase price (in USD please): $16,000
Purchase date: 8/23/13
Mileage: 104,xxx
State or country where purchased: Logan, OH
Model year: 1991
C2 or C4: C2
Coupe, targa or cab: Coupe
Color:
Tip or manual: Manual
NA or turbo: NA
Any aftermarket accessories that came with the car (including but not limited to wheels, suspension, exhaust, seats, stereo, mirrors, pedals, steering wheel, etc.): Completely Stock
Did the vehicle come with tool kit: Yes
Did the vehicle come with tire inflator kit: Yes
Your assessment of the vehicle history in terms of paperwork/receipts (1-10, 10 being highest): 7
Your assessment of the interior quality (1-10, 10 being highest): 7
Your assessment of the exterior quality (1-10, 10 being highest): 7
Your assessment of the mechanical condition of the vehicle (1-10, 10 being highest): 8
Purchase date: 8/23/13
Mileage: 104,xxx
State or country where purchased: Logan, OH
Model year: 1991
C2 or C4: C2
Coupe, targa or cab: Coupe
Color:
Tip or manual: Manual
NA or turbo: NA
Any aftermarket accessories that came with the car (including but not limited to wheels, suspension, exhaust, seats, stereo, mirrors, pedals, steering wheel, etc.): Completely Stock
Did the vehicle come with tool kit: Yes
Did the vehicle come with tire inflator kit: Yes
Your assessment of the vehicle history in terms of paperwork/receipts (1-10, 10 being highest): 7
Your assessment of the interior quality (1-10, 10 being highest): 7
Your assessment of the exterior quality (1-10, 10 being highest): 7
Your assessment of the mechanical condition of the vehicle (1-10, 10 being highest): 8
Instructor
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 154
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From: London UK
Purchase price (in USD please): $140,000
Purchase date: August 2013
Mileage: 70,xxx
State or country where purchased: London, UK
Model year: 1992
C2 or C4: RS
Coupe, targa or cab: Coupe
Color: Black
Tip or manual: Manual
NA or turbo: NA
Any aftermarket accessories that came with the car (including but not limited to wheels, suspension, exhaust, seats, stereo, mirrors, pedals, steering wheel, etc.): Completely Stock
Did the vehicle come with tool kit: Yes
Did the vehicle come with tire inflator kit: Yes
Your assessment of the vehicle history in terms of paperwork/receipts (1-10, 10 being highest): 8
Your assessment of the interior quality (1-10, 10 being highest): 9
Your assessment of the exterior quality (1-10, 10 being highest): 9
Your assessment of the mechanical condition of the vehicle (1-10, 10 being highest): 10
Purchase date: August 2013
Mileage: 70,xxx
State or country where purchased: London, UK
Model year: 1992
C2 or C4: RS
Coupe, targa or cab: Coupe
Color: Black
Tip or manual: Manual
NA or turbo: NA
Any aftermarket accessories that came with the car (including but not limited to wheels, suspension, exhaust, seats, stereo, mirrors, pedals, steering wheel, etc.): Completely Stock
Did the vehicle come with tool kit: Yes
Did the vehicle come with tire inflator kit: Yes
Your assessment of the vehicle history in terms of paperwork/receipts (1-10, 10 being highest): 8
Your assessment of the interior quality (1-10, 10 being highest): 9
Your assessment of the exterior quality (1-10, 10 being highest): 9
Your assessment of the mechanical condition of the vehicle (1-10, 10 being highest): 10
Last edited by 911Thrasher; Nov 18, 2013 at 06:40 PM.
Track Day
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 22
Likes: 1
Purchase price (in USD please): $30,508
Purchase date: 9/22/13
Mileage: 33,xxx (Yes, only 33K)
State or country where purchased: Columbus, OH
Model year: 1991
C2 or C4: C4
Coupe, targa or cab: Cab
Color: RED
Tip or manual: Manual
NA or turbo: NA
Any aftermarket accessories that came with the car (including but not limited to wheels, suspension, exhaust, seats, stereo, mirrors, pedals, steering wheel, etc.): exhaust (i think, it is loud)
Did the vehicle come with tool kit: Yes, but not complete.
Did the vehicle come with tire inflator kit: Yes, but no spare tire! (EDIT: Spare was mailed to me by Dealer)
Your assessment of the vehicle history in terms of paperwork/receipts (1-10, 10 being highest): 6
Your assessment of the interior quality (1-10, 10 being highest): 6
Your assessment of the exterior quality (1-10, 10 being highest): 8
Your assessment of the mechanical condition of the vehicle (1-10, 10 being highest): 7
Top is not working at all. But the seller, Bob Caldwell, gave me an "IOU" on the top repair. After 5 hours of driving, there is no oil leak on the ground, but the bottom was wet. Power Steering is really weak, the PO might have done something to it. Will have local Porsche deal check out everything again. (EDIT: Top was fixed, Dealer paid the fees)
Purchase date: 9/22/13
Mileage: 33,xxx (Yes, only 33K)
State or country where purchased: Columbus, OH
Model year: 1991
C2 or C4: C4
Coupe, targa or cab: Cab
Color: RED
Tip or manual: Manual
NA or turbo: NA
Any aftermarket accessories that came with the car (including but not limited to wheels, suspension, exhaust, seats, stereo, mirrors, pedals, steering wheel, etc.): exhaust (i think, it is loud)
Did the vehicle come with tool kit: Yes, but not complete.
Did the vehicle come with tire inflator kit: Yes, but no spare tire!
(EDIT: Spare was mailed to me by Dealer)Your assessment of the vehicle history in terms of paperwork/receipts (1-10, 10 being highest): 6
Your assessment of the interior quality (1-10, 10 being highest): 6
Your assessment of the exterior quality (1-10, 10 being highest): 8
Your assessment of the mechanical condition of the vehicle (1-10, 10 being highest): 7
Top is not working at all. But the seller, Bob Caldwell, gave me an "IOU" on the top repair. After 5 hours of driving, there is no oil leak on the ground, but the bottom was wet. Power Steering is really weak, the PO might have done something to it. Will have local Porsche deal check out everything again. (EDIT: Top was fixed, Dealer paid the fees)
Last edited by Rex Tsui; Oct 5, 2013 at 12:31 PM. Reason: Change of Conditions
3rd Gear
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 3
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purchase price (in USD please) $18,300
purchase date 02/2013
mileage 98,000 miles
state or country where purchased San Francisco, CA
Model year 1990
C2 or C4 C4
Coupe, targa or cab Coupe
color GP white
tip or manual Manual
NA or turbo NA
any aftermarket accessories that came with the car (including but not limited to wheels, suspension, exhaust, seats, stereo, mirrors, pedals, steering wheel, etc.) Stock
did the vehicle come with tool kit some
did the vehicle come with tire inflator kit no
your assessment of the vehicle history in terms of paperwork/receipts (1-10, 10 being highest) 5
your assessment of the interior quality (1-10, 10 being highest) 7
your assessment of the exterior quality (1-10, 10 being highest) 6
your assessment of the mechanical condition of the vehicle (1-10, 10 being highest) 8
thanks!
purchase date 02/2013
mileage 98,000 miles
state or country where purchased San Francisco, CA
Model year 1990
C2 or C4 C4
Coupe, targa or cab Coupe
color GP white
tip or manual Manual
NA or turbo NA
any aftermarket accessories that came with the car (including but not limited to wheels, suspension, exhaust, seats, stereo, mirrors, pedals, steering wheel, etc.) Stock
did the vehicle come with tool kit some
did the vehicle come with tire inflator kit no
your assessment of the vehicle history in terms of paperwork/receipts (1-10, 10 being highest) 5
your assessment of the interior quality (1-10, 10 being highest) 7
your assessment of the exterior quality (1-10, 10 being highest) 6
your assessment of the mechanical condition of the vehicle (1-10, 10 being highest) 8
thanks!
Intermediate
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 34
Likes: 1
So I'm new here and don't have a 964 yet but I'm a firm believer in karma and paying it forward. I've actually compiled all the data into an Excel file minus a couple of insane statistical outliers and those that don't have the majority of the questions answered. Grand total of 283 entries. I don't have a google account that I actively use (massive paranoia) so was wondering if you guys would want it as an attachment or if someone would like to create a google docs spreadsheet and upload the file. Let me know what works for you guys. Hopefully karma will smile upon me and find me a favorably priced 964 C2 coupe manual. =P
3rd Gear
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
From: Perth
Best of both worlds, I have a pretty hardcore S1 Elise and should be (hopefully all going well with PPI) picking up a 964 C4 tomorrow!
Elise is so much more fun to drive, but nowhere near as practical and comfortable.
I am greedy I know!
Elise is so much more fun to drive, but nowhere near as practical and comfortable.
I am greedy I know!