Marine Blue

Why would you sell it, keep it and enjoy it! These cares are immensely fun to drive and with so many being bought to be backdated they’re getting just as rare as a Singer!

Porschenut_Lee

Adding living space to house for kid #3........can’t responsibly go into debt for an addition when I have a toy that would pay for a large chunk of the cost. Believe me......I’ve spent the entire summer trying to justify keeping the car. As you can see I’ve done well so far since we are approaching December and I still have it

misterbeverlyhills

Just guessing but once 964 donor cars become harder to find, and seeing as Singer is now building their own motors with Williams; would Singer not then be able to take 3.2s and SCs as donors for the backdate look? Are the shells that different?

Porschenut_Lee

Biggest thing would be suspension I am guessing, as well as interference for mounting G50 gearbox in 915 cars.

911Jetta

Singer used those older platforms on the earliest cars.... then switched to the 964 shell.
The 964s platform was a total redesign to accommodate coil over suspension, ABS, new crash protection requirements, airbags, 4-wheel drive, etc. (more rigid platform, etc.)

misterbeverlyhills

I'll bet they have a ton of D90s and other interesting wheels for sale. I need some Cobalt interior parts, anyone know how to reach them for that, is there someone selling off the parts they cast off?

I am told they pay $35k for a solid donor, sight unseen.

911Jetta

Testing continues!

cobalt

The only advantage to the earlier tubs is they are lighter. The improved design and torsional rigidity of the 964/993 tubs is considerably superior to the older cars. The 964 is the only tailing arm tub worth modifying with limited need to rework the entire tub and has enough newer technology that can be reworked or retained to achieve what they are building.. Also crashworthiness of the older tubs isn't close although they seem to be omitting airbags and the impact bars used on the 964/993. I have an issue with that. They are making these lighter and faster and IMO less safe. ABS appears to be the only safety aspect retained. Bigger brakes help but not in an accident and CF shatters.

A 2700 pound 964 with 350hp or so to the wheels is more car than most would need to have fun or even begin to explore its limits. Add 350 torque and it would be a monster but I have not seen torque curves for these engines and to me torque is equally as important as HP.

I guess when the 964 tubs are used up they stop production or start chopping up 993's. Although I don't see the kinematic rear suspension of the 993 as a substitute as they loose that trailing arm feel which is what a backdate IMO should have.

J richard

They are looking in the wrong direction, should look at the 99-04c2. The 996 gt3 is basically an evolution of the 964 with water cooled heads/jackets, the transaxle and engine case are basically the same.

They need to to cut some of them up and apply the same technique and air cooled engine package. More room for that engine (that is really not fitting in the 964 anymore), way more room for rubber, surprisingly similar lines, multi link rear suspension and nobody is going to cry if you start cutting up 99-04 C2s with ims failures.....

Matt Andrews

I would suspect that the supply won't dry up enough for it to make a real impact for a long time. Even if these cars double in value, an additional $35-40k in material cost is only a 5-10% change of pricing if they simply pass all that on to customers.

Vandit

I still don't understand why Singer didn't use the 993 platform for their new Williams collaboration build. The new car is super engineered, cutting edge power plant, modern aero, etc. All that stuff would be better paired with the 993's superior rear suspension package.

Matt Andrews

how much of the "new" car is really new? I assume the interior Jigs and other components are a carry over with just a different engine and "body kit"? If so, moving to the 993 probably could have incurred a lot of additional expense. OR the fact that the 993 is OBD2 and will have more emissions issues could be a key determining factor...

wallra

Thats what I'm thinking also. You start getting into OBD2 cars the the emission laws change.

Jjm4life

I think you nailed it.

Vandit

You can get a '95 993 and it is OBD1, however it won't be a 25yo car until 2020. 25yo is the age where cars start to fall off of the inspection and titling rigor of modern car registration and can be registered as a "classic" or "antique" automobile.