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Old 06-17-2019, 11:33 AM
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Once I get costs/pricing figured out for the oil pan, I will let everyone know. I am just waiting on quotes from a couple places. It would probably be good for everyone to go ahead and remove the cast aluminum upper oil pans from your engines so you're able to ship to me in a week or so. PM me and I will send you my address.
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I've followed this thread for a bit, i don't know if this was asked yet and i'm hoping i can just ask without reading 80 pages worth. Is there any estimates as to what overall swap costs might be around for an N/A swap just to get the car driving with the 07k? (no brake/suspension work or anything)
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Old 06-18-2019, 04:30 PM
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I've followed this thread for a bit, i don't know if this was asked yet and i'm hoping i can just ask without reading 80 pages worth. Is there any estimates as to what overall swap costs might be around for an N/A swap just to get the car driving with the 07k? (no brake/suspension work or anything)
Im on track to spend $8k, but it could certainly be done for less. I think $6k would be about the cheapest you could do it.
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Old 06-18-2019, 04:36 PM
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Im on track to spend $8k, but it could certainly be done for less. I think $6k would be about the cheapest you could do it.
6k is about what I have budgeted for this swap, plus a bit more since I'm investing in tools I will use again in the future like a welder, engine hoist & stand, special sockets and driver's, etc. Also depends on your starting point; if you have a solid & safe rolling chassis, and what condition everything else is in.
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Old 06-18-2019, 05:49 PM
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and for you guys, are you doing N/A swaps?
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Old 06-18-2019, 06:02 PM
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and for you guys, are you doing N/A swaps?
Yes, both of us. Both of us are using components that make us "boost ready" in the future (i.e. clutch).

Add roughly $2k to $6k for a turbo swap, around 400whp. Low end being already having a 951 transaxle and buying a used turbo, high end being a new Garrett turbo and needing a transaxle.

This includes stand alone engine management and everything, all in.

Any LS swap guys out there know the real all in cost of an LS swap?
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Old 06-18-2019, 10:54 PM
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emaxxowns hinton Yes to the naturally aspirated 🤙 although Mike is shoving his exhaust up through the hood, which, part of me cringes at, the other part applauds 😂 I've got a 40% LSD in my transaxle, and it's an 84 which I believe has the high 5th gear or whatever the kids are calling it. The swap kit is very forgiving, in a sense that you can go either way.

I've got a spreadsheet that outlines everything I've bought to date, and what I plan to buy for the swap. If you want I can PM you a number that will be pretty close.
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Old 06-18-2019, 11:09 PM
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although Mike is shoving his exhaust up through the hood, which, part of me cringes at, the other part applauds 😂
Donít knock it til you hear it!
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Old 06-18-2019, 11:23 PM
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Donít knock it til you hear it!
Hey now, I never said I was against it! Here in Maine we commend those who make the sacrifices of creating something loud and obnoxious!!
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Old 06-18-2019, 11:47 PM
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Hey now, I never said I was against it! Here in Maine we commend those who make the sacrifices of creating something loud and obnoxious!!
Haha, Iím JK. Being a racecar it seemed like a fun idea. If its too obnoxious I can always add a turbo later 😉
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Originally Posted by hinton View Post
Yes, both of us. Both of us are using components that make us "boost ready" in the future (i.e. clutch).

Add roughly $2k to $6k for a turbo swap, around 400whp. Low end being already having a 951 transaxle and buying a used turbo, high end being a new Garrett turbo and needing a transaxle.

This includes stand alone engine management and everything, all in.

Any LS swap guys out there know the real all in cost of an LS swap?
From my own experience, and from buddies of mine who have done LS swaps in 944's, I can tell you it is very tough to do it for under $10k. That's with a used engine (probably iron block), used parts, and lots of DIY fab work. I would say most people spend over $15k all said and done for a decent swap, around 350 to 400 whp. To do it "right" and build something that will last a while on track and have 400+ whp, I'd say you're looking at $20k for a new LS3 crate engine with upgraded cam and springs, clutch and hydraulics, mid/long headers, hydroboost system, fuel system mods, upgraded radiator and oil cooler, wiring, engine management, road race oil pan, bellhousing, mounts and BH adapter, and all the misc plumbing lines and fittings. And you have to space the crossmember down or bulge the hood, and can't run vacuum brake booster, etc. And it barely fits... the front of the engine is basically right up to the back of the 944 fans, so you end up doing more work to give enough room for air flow and maintenance.

Anyway, my intent is not to disparage the LS swap, but in my experience it's more costly and takes more fiddly work than you might expect. And the reliability on track was not as good as I had hoped it would be. YMMV...
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Old 06-19-2019, 10:51 AM
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Anyway, my intent is not to disparage the LS swap, but in my experience it's more costly and takes more fiddly work than you might expect. And the reliability on track was not as good as I had hoped it would be. YMMV...
Thats the reason I asked. The LS swap kit price is really reasonable, I had just always heard the full build cost balloons pretty quickly.
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Any idea what the Overboost Drift guys used for that rear coolant flange / hose fitting? Shown below with blue silicone hose attached.

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Any idea what the Overboost Drift guys used for that rear coolant flange / hose fitting? Shown below with blue silicone hose attached.
I can reach out to them and see if they'll reveal any of their secrets lol.
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Old 06-19-2019, 12:48 PM
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I can reach out to them and see if they'll reveal any of their secrets lol.
I messaged them on IG, thanks though!
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