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Old 11-07-2012, 11:03 AM
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Duke – I took a good look at the picture you sent and along with the new measurement of how far down the damage is the MID will probably work. I can‘t guarantee it without actually machining the block but I am pretty sure it will work. I would recommend filling the voids next to all the cylinders with the right structural epoxy to help stiffen up the block.
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Crazy that this seems to happen.
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He could have sawed off 5 trees by the time that race was over.
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That Scott Goodyear video is just crazy!
Promising info Chris. I've spoken to a very good shop locally that does both dry and wet sleeving. I will drop off the block there next week. If the block can be saved I might as well try to save the crank and do a little offset stroking... maybe just 2.5mm and up the bore a little to make a 3.1-3.2l.

But right now I'm enjoying a snowy New York City
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That Scott Goodyear drives like a mad! Seems like a really quick car and also faster than many on the straights..?

Are you keeping the pistons in this case? Is it Ultra, and do they do offset stroke there? You heard any prices?

Good luck with the block!

How much is it possible to go up in bore with the 3L block if going dry sleeves?
Are steel sleeves stronger or more scratch resistant than alusil or is it just easier/cheaper to hone or drill larger bores in steel?
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Originally Posted by Peedster
That Scott Goodyear drives like a mad! Seems like a really quick car and also faster than many on the straights..?

Are you keeping the pistons in this case? Is it Ultra, and do they do offset stroke there? You heard any prices?

Good luck with the block!

How much is it possible to go up in bore with the 3L block if going dry sleeves?
Are steel sleeves stronger or more scratch resistant than alusil or is it just easier/cheaper to hone or drill larger bores in steel?
If I can use the block I will need other pistons (to work with the sleeves). Ultra Motors can do offset stroking, but I discussed pricing with them about that.
At least 105.5 should be possible with dry sleeves. But being a turbo is probably safer to keep a tad thicker cylinders and just go up a tiny bit in boost pressure to compensate.
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Originally Posted by Duke
That Scott Goodyear video is just crazy!
Promising info Chris. I've spoken to a very good shop locally that does both dry and wet sleeving. I will drop off the block there next week. If the block can be saved I might as well try to save the crank and do a little offset stroking... maybe just 2.5mm and up the bore a little to make a 3.1-3.2l.

But right now I'm enjoying a snowy New York City
Hey i am in New York City. Let me know if you would like to meet up. Ill PM you my number.
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Originally Posted by Duke
If I can use the block I will need other pistons (to work with the sleeves). Ultra Motors can do offset stroking, but I discussed pricing with them about that.
At least 105.5 should be possible with dry sleeves. But being a turbo is probably safer to keep a tad thicker cylinders and just go up a tiny bit in boost pressure to compensate.
I'll give them a call and chat a little

What would 105,5 give plus a stroke of 2,5mm? How do you calculate?

Vacation in NY right now, isn't there a new storm coming in that way?
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Originally Posted by Peedster
That Scott Goodyear drives like a mad! Seems like a really quick car and also faster than many on the straights..?

Are you keeping the pistons in this case? Is it Ultra, and do they do offset stroke there? You heard any prices?

Good luck with the block!

How much is it possible to go up in bore with the 3L block if going dry sleeves?
Are steel sleeves stronger or more scratch resistant than alusil or is it just easier/cheaper to hone or drill larger bores in steel?
The Darton steel is way more resistant to scoring, extremely hard stuff. Not much fun to machine, you need new cutters for each engine!

I had a customer really trash his engine (massive detonation) – the pistons lost all the material above the first ring land, the head was junk but the sleeves just needed a mild hone to be back in action.
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Originally Posted by Duke
That Scott Goodyear video is just crazy!
Promising info Chris. I've spoken to a very good shop locally that does both dry and wet sleeving. I will drop off the block there next week. If the block can be saved I might as well try to save the crank and do a little offset stroking... maybe just 2.5mm and up the bore a little to make a 3.1-3.2l.

But right now I'm enjoying a snowy New York City
Before you toss any money at the crank check it for straightness – most cranks that have a full #2 bearing failure are not straight anymore.
Old 11-08-2012, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris White
Before you toss any money at the crank check it for straightness – most cranks that have a full #2 bearing failure are not straight anymore.
Could it be straightened ?.
Old 11-08-2012, 11:14 PM
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When doing offset grind its best IMO to turn the mains anyway. Straightness is somewhat irrelevant. However, cracks are do I'd have it mag'd
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Originally Posted by Chris White
Also looks like the block is deforming a bit at high loads (look at the main bearing wear pattern). This is common on high power (500+) 944 blocks.
Chris you mentioned this earlier on, Wouldn't that cause an issue for the darton sleeves to move and cause issues?
Old 11-09-2012, 09:14 AM
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Would dry-sumping have avoided this, or would it have happened anyway. I'm starting to wonder even if dry-sumping is the silver bullet for these no.2 rod bearing failures?
Old 11-09-2012, 11:29 AM
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the answer is to spend a good deal more $$$$ and do full teardowns, often.

if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and ****s like a duck, it's a racing program.


or just....


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