951's vs. modern
#46
Well you better tell Porsche to stop making their chassis stiffer with each new model - they must be doing it wrong.
Last edited by Eric_Oz_S2; 11-30-2011 at 06:57 AM.
#47
Well because you own an 86 I understand your need to laugh.
In 1989 very few cars were faster around a track than a 944 turbo. To say that there is not a significant difference between an s and non s all other things being equal (ie both cars work as new) is kind of silly. Porsche knew what they were doing when they modified the car.
I never said that they could compete with more modern cars but I think the s has a chance with some cars. But I stand by my statement : a regular turbo is like a bus around a track compared to an s, they were set up for the street, the s was set up for the track.
In 1989 very few cars were faster around a track than a 944 turbo. To say that there is not a significant difference between an s and non s all other things being equal (ie both cars work as new) is kind of silly. Porsche knew what they were doing when they modified the car.
I never said that they could compete with more modern cars but I think the s has a chance with some cars. But I stand by my statement : a regular turbo is like a bus around a track compared to an s, they were set up for the street, the s was set up for the track.
I would guess the suspension in the bus like 88 you drove was either completely worn out, and / or the alignment was completely off. These cars are very sensitive to suspension settings, and having an expert set them up is paramount.
#48
Who knows where Dom1 is from? Not all the worldwide Turbo S cars are loaded with equipment - my Silver Rose has no sunroof and never had fancy stereo or airbags. Thats the way UK cars were specced. Apart from bigger front brakes, I can't think of anything significantly heavier on my car than an 86 Turbo.
I haven't driven mine on track but I have seen just how fast the transaxle cars can be when I am in my 911 track car. IMHO these cars can be respectably fast without much work at all. 20 years ago, these cars were fantastic club racing cars and the 944S2 is still very competitive in the classic and future classic competitions over in the uk.
I haven't driven mine on track but I have seen just how fast the transaxle cars can be when I am in my 911 track car. IMHO these cars can be respectably fast without much work at all. 20 years ago, these cars were fantastic club racing cars and the 944S2 is still very competitive in the classic and future classic competitions over in the uk.
#49
Its a Canadian car, no airbages, no cruise control or fancy stereo. If you read the articles about when the 89 when first came out the big complaint was how stiff the suspension was for the street and I agree. I owned a clean stock 87 and now a clean stock 89. To me they are very different. Porsche made the 89 or s into a great weekend track car. Damping and ride height are adjustable on an 89 and of course this needs to be taken advantage of for the full difference to be realized. The car needs to be lowered and set up and then the 87 feels like a bus.
#50
I agree with Dom1, and I think the main reason for the different feel is in the M030 bushings.
My '90 which doesn't have M030 feels saggy in the same way as earlier cars. Even when I had the Moton on something felt missing.
My '90 which doesn't have M030 feels saggy in the same way as earlier cars. Even when I had the Moton on something felt missing.
#52
m030 bushings are race ready and the regular 951 bushings are for buses, lol. These guys don't know what they are talking about or they have been exceeding their daily doses of glaucoma medicine, or they probably drove some cars with real tired suspension, exhaust leaks etc.
#53
Somewhat harder durometer rubber in a few of the bushings, like the control arms, castor blocks, upper strut mounts, and trailing arms. If you look at the part numbers, any of the M030 parts that have a 30 series suffix are the same as the motorsport/cup pieces.
Lart - how much more can you make parting a stock turbo S compared to a standard turbo w/ stock boge suspension and open diff trans?
Lart - how much more can you make parting a stock turbo S compared to a standard turbo w/ stock boge suspension and open diff trans?
#54
Somewhat harder durometer rubber in a few of the bushings, like the control arms, castor blocks, upper strut mounts, and trailing arms. If you look at the part numbers, any of the M030 parts that have a 30 series suffix are the same as the motorsport/cup pieces.
Lart - how much more can you make parting a stock turbo S compared to a standard turbo w/ stock boge suspension and open diff trans?
Lart - how much more can you make parting a stock turbo S compared to a standard turbo w/ stock boge suspension and open diff trans?
#55
Elephant Racing makes re-pro "Sport" bushings for most of the NLA M030 bushings at no extra cost over the regular bushings. I went with them since the car is more street oriented and I couldn't be happier.
#56
#57
before it was like 3-4k difference i have been trying to sell a AOR for $ 1399.99 and i have not been able
#58
m030 bushings are race ready and the regular 951 bushings are for buses, lol. These guys don't know what they are talking about or they have been exceeding their daily doses of glaucoma medicine, or they probably drove some cars with real tired suspension, exhaust leaks etc.
May I recommend you try to drive a decent M030 one with limited mileage so that you figure out what we are talking about
#59
I don't think there is a huge difference. Having owned both and been in quite a few others. Sure the S or '89+ models have a bit more zip and some stiffening available, but they're not a hard edged track car by any means.
For the person that wanted to only compare stock v stock, modded v modded...well sure you can do that, or how much does a good S2000 or similar car cost? Spend the difference on a 951 and then you have a true comparison. Even without modern chassis stiffness and suspension the 951 will spank all of the cars mentioned so far on this thread. Maybe even the Viper...if you spend the difference $ remember.
For the person that wanted to only compare stock v stock, modded v modded...well sure you can do that, or how much does a good S2000 or similar car cost? Spend the difference on a 951 and then you have a true comparison. Even without modern chassis stiffness and suspension the 951 will spank all of the cars mentioned so far on this thread. Maybe even the Viper...if you spend the difference $ remember.