95ONE

What I know of MoTeC. They have many available wiring diagrams for coil packs. What Patrick has is one that MoTeC has detailed out as an example option. Which means it has all the specs for the coil packs that you HAVE TO ENTER INTO THE COMPUTER./ECU to tune the car. Otherwise, its hard to get all the very specific votages, amperage, capacitive load charge times, internal or external ignitors, of the COP stuff. So from an installers point of view, you KNOW they are strong and there is no doubt about what you are getting and loving the "ease" of installation. Not that that is easy at all, but you get the point.
- you know it's compatible
- you know there won't be any start up issues from wrong numbers input
- you know there won't be any misfires or burnt pistons / washed down cylinders, from wrong numbers input
- you just know..
- No messing around with different cop's trying to get a "close" fit and having to charge for more modifications.

THis, I will bet much money, is why that set up is on Patrick's car.

Don't get me wrong. I appreciate custom applications. (CLEARLY) but when an installer builds a car for you, a proven straight forward approach is key.

333pg333

I asked the engineer about COP ( Perhaps he hasn't seen those AIM COP ones?) and his opinion on internal fuel lines. He didn't actually do the fuel lines in my car.

"Most cop applications have inbuilt igniters and as such cant be used with cdi units, only Nippondenso 2 wire coils as fitted to toyota 2 j and hyabusa are cdi compatible and capable of producing the required spark. The other factor is that most cop applications have engine rocker covers that are cast to provide mounting points for the cop, you would have to manufacture individual brackets for each cop to fit them to your vehicle, alternatively you could have a short lead from the coil to the plug as in LS1 type coils but is that any different from what you currently have? LS1 coils were considered originally but due to their inbuilt igniters are not cdi compatible and are not considered reliable past 20 psi boost.

This combination of CDI and HEC716 coils have been used on an evo 8 I wired up that has 450 kw at all 4 wheels and a turbo lotus elise fitted with an Audi 5 valve 2.2 [stroked and bored 1.8] which actually made a little more, both vehicles ran up to 30 psi boost with E85 and did not run out of spark"

"Every v8 supercar i have ever worked on or looked over has always had internal fuel lines, some hard pipe some flexible hose. This is since el and vs days [1999] to current ve and fg cars, these cars all run around 80 psi fuel pressure without issue [max pressure allowed under the rules].
Porsche 911 fuel lines also run inside the car [albiet in the tunnel but with large access holes ]"

reno808

Pat dont listen to these guys LOL.

333pg333

This is currently how the 3L motor has been setup. Of course there will be some changes. I've also included a pic of Thom's very nice engine/bay showing his CnP (Coil near Plug) setup. Not entirely sure how we'll setup the 3L when it gets here.

What I don't quite understand is the point about if you go for COP you can eliminate the distributor etc but while these motors are CnP they still have no distributor. If the setup on my 2.5L has 4 individual coils (located a bit further away), why can't I also remove the distributor? Sure, the leads will be longer on my 2.5L but isn't it essentially doing the same thing as these 3L motors? Sequential CDI.

Rogue_Ant

Patrick, you will not have a distributor. Any wasted or sequential spark system will replace the distributor/rotor.

333pg333

Right....that's what I thought. Damn Kiwi confused me!!

Sid mentioned that you had been playing with something along these lines Josh...anything you can mention just yet or something we can look forward to in the near future?

Rogue_Ant

Ha - I can always count on Sid to stir the pot
Nothing I want to mention just yet...

333pg333

btw...any guesses what differences we'll see with the 2.5 tuned with the new system vs the old setup. The old setup was the Vitesse V-flex on E85 at 22psi on the E85 race image.

NZ951

Stupid Aussies! lol

I ran wasted spark on my previous 944 turbo, off an EVO, and just made a plate to go over the removed dizzy. CnP is good too

Thom

COP would make for a neat install on the 16V head as spark plug holes may be deep enough, but on the 8V head they would kind of look out of place with all the additional bracketing needed so that they don't vibrate themselves apart.

In any case I suppose we people who run coils mounted directly on the engine may reasonably expect shorter life expectancy than if they are mounted on the shell - even if LS coils were originally mounted on the engine, a 4 cylinder engine will naturally always be less well harmonically-balanced than a V8.

333pg333

While there has been a fair bit of progress, I haven't taken heaps of pics lately. Mostly making brackets and mounting either hardware or lines. Lots of fiddly stuff.
Had to include some of the mounting bracket that they made for the trans oil cooler. Also showing where the oil cooler w fan is going. They'll run ducting via the rear left hand 1/4 window and Naca duct. Like Dubai's car I believe. All the temp, steering, brake sensors are mounted too. With the rear brake line being brought inside. Super neat. I'll get some pics of all this next week.

NZ951

Thats fairly serious.

333pg333

I'm an extremely serious guy!








I'm also a full blooded idiot!

NZ951

You mean, you are an Aussie.

333pg333

I could have put all my money (what little there is left) on that reply. Wish I did....