LOVE IT!
06-23-2009, 02:26 PM
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LOVE IT!
Picked up my '86 951 yesterday evening 
First P-car, and I love it so far!
130k miles but CLEAN. Paint shines, interior in ok shape with factory sport seats and no rips/tears. Dash has some cheesy dash cover on it, which I plan to peel off today (it's warped and cheap looking) and I fully expect to find cracks in the dash (no big whoop.)
Main reason I bought it was for the mechanical condition. ~1500 miles on a complete motor and trans rebuild. Fresh Bilstein Cup suspension. Adjustable sways. 18" CCW wheels on fresh Michelin Pilot Sport Cups. 3" exhaust, weltmeister chip. Harness bar (w/harnesses.) Bunch of other stuff I can't remember now. Also threw in the original 16" phone dials (w/new tires on them) and 2 boxes of new PF97 pads.
Car has a pretty aggressive alignment on it now (PO mainly tracked it) and I'm taking it in tomorrow to a local Porsche independent for a re-alignment. I took it easy on the way home (seating position, feel, etc. is different from my last few cars so I feel a little awkward in it) and didn't really push it much. Car feels a little nervous when, say, hitting an off-ramp at 5/10ths. As I got closer to home, I got a little more brave, and pushed it a little bit more - and WOW! Really digs in nicely (as in OMG THIS THING STICKS!) at 7/10ths, and it seemed like the harder I pushed, the smoother and more confident it got! Just solid, planted, and FLAT! But... I think it's still a little too aggressive for what I plan to do with it (street and auto-x.) Plus, I don't really want to have to push it to really feel the car... I'll sacrifice some performance at 9-10/10ths to gain some stability at 5-6/10ths. Not to mention, it's going to cook the tires the way it sits in no time. But for now, the car has MUCH more ability than the driver!
Here's some photos:
And... where she will eventually live - once the topsoil guy delivers, and I transport to the backyard, 12 yards of dirt.
First P-car, and I love it so far!130k miles but CLEAN. Paint shines, interior in ok shape with factory sport seats and no rips/tears. Dash has some cheesy dash cover on it, which I plan to peel off today (it's warped and cheap looking) and I fully expect to find cracks in the dash (no big whoop.)
Main reason I bought it was for the mechanical condition. ~1500 miles on a complete motor and trans rebuild. Fresh Bilstein Cup suspension. Adjustable sways. 18" CCW wheels on fresh Michelin Pilot Sport Cups. 3" exhaust, weltmeister chip. Harness bar (w/harnesses.) Bunch of other stuff I can't remember now. Also threw in the original 16" phone dials (w/new tires on them) and 2 boxes of new PF97 pads.
Car has a pretty aggressive alignment on it now (PO mainly tracked it) and I'm taking it in tomorrow to a local Porsche independent for a re-alignment. I took it easy on the way home (seating position, feel, etc. is different from my last few cars so I feel a little awkward in it) and didn't really push it much. Car feels a little nervous when, say, hitting an off-ramp at 5/10ths. As I got closer to home, I got a little more brave, and pushed it a little bit more - and WOW! Really digs in nicely (as in OMG THIS THING STICKS!) at 7/10ths, and it seemed like the harder I pushed, the smoother and more confident it got! Just solid, planted, and FLAT! But... I think it's still a little too aggressive for what I plan to do with it (street and auto-x.) Plus, I don't really want to have to push it to really feel the car... I'll sacrifice some performance at 9-10/10ths to gain some stability at 5-6/10ths. Not to mention, it's going to cook the tires the way it sits in no time. But for now, the car has MUCH more ability than the driver!
Here's some photos:
And... where she will eventually live - once the topsoil guy delivers, and I transport to the backyard, 12 yards of dirt.
06-23-2009, 05:04 PM
#4
Three Wheelin'
What are you referring to with the 5/10'ths and 7/10'ths? The turbo gauge on the dash?
5/10'ths is 1 BAR so not even really boosting. Anything below 1BAR is negative pressure which means you aren't boosting at all. 7/10th's is about where the factory boost is dialed in (~10PSI) and all the way to the right is 2BAR which is ~14PSI.
You didn't mention anything about DME chip upgrades or a MAF, upgraded turbo, etc... so no idea what engine mods have been done - but if you have aftermarket chips and any other signficant upgrades you really should have a manual boost controller installed so you can really see what's going on. I wouldn't rely on the one in the dash...not that accurate.
5/10'ths is 1 BAR so not even really boosting. Anything below 1BAR is negative pressure which means you aren't boosting at all. 7/10th's is about where the factory boost is dialed in (~10PSI) and all the way to the right is 2BAR which is ~14PSI.
You didn't mention anything about DME chip upgrades or a MAF, upgraded turbo, etc... so no idea what engine mods have been done - but if you have aftermarket chips and any other signficant upgrades you really should have a manual boost controller installed so you can really see what's going on. I wouldn't rely on the one in the dash...not that accurate.
06-23-2009, 05:07 PM
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Nice!
-When I first picked up my 951m it shared the 3-car garage with my MkIV Golf/GTI also... a great contrast in driving dynamics, to be sure!
Things just took off from there, really...
By the way, the OP is referring to "tenths" in terms of ABILITY (be that the car's or the driver's -It's a 'thumb' measurement term used a lot in racing...) hence "ten-tenths" is "on the limit"
Keith
-When I first picked up my 951m it shared the 3-car garage with my MkIV Golf/GTI also... a great contrast in driving dynamics, to be sure!
Things just took off from there, really...
By the way, the OP is referring to "tenths" in terms of ABILITY (be that the car's or the driver's -It's a 'thumb' measurement term used a lot in racing...) hence "ten-tenths" is "on the limit"
Keith
06-23-2009, 05:38 PM
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And you are correct - I was referring to ability and pucker factor, not the boost gauge
06-23-2009, 06:02 PM
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Great looking car. One thing I noticed is the harness bar. Just for your info. If you are planning on tracking the car at all then that will need to go and then use factory belts or get seats that have holes for the shoulders to pass through and also add sub-belt if not already installed. Have fun with it cause they were definately built to drive.
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06-23-2009, 06:44 PM
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Great looking car. One thing I noticed is the harness bar. Just for your info. If you are planning on tracking the car at all then that will need to go and then use factory belts or get seats that have holes for the shoulders to pass through and also add sub-belt if not already installed. Have fun with it cause they were definately built to drive.
At least for the remainder of this year, I plan to just do Auto-X events. I'm NO stranger to the track, believe me (just motorcycles, not cars), but I *do* know how much it costs (and how easily I can spiral out of control with THAT addiction.) I think right now I get away with a lot of this stuff because I introduced the wife to Auto-X this year and she LOVES it - so it works out to be a cheap, fun weekend and we both get to do it. Funding a monthly track day habit (or worse... a W2W racing career) for TWO people is well beyond my budget right now
The wife doesn't know what she's missing, and I intend to keep it that way for awhile. I know I'm missing out on the fun, but I'm also missing out on the tire bills, the brake bills, the trailer (and necessary diesel tow rig), etc. I'll take my $25 weekend and go home, thank you very much
(no boost).
06-23-2009, 07:12 PM
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Drifting
Yeah you'll have a lot of people tell you what's wrong with your harness setup. The main thing is just the seating arrangement. It's fine for autox though. Enjoy it.
The car looks killer.
The car looks killer.
06-23-2009, 07:58 PM
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Hey Man
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Damn, I knew it...my stolen car would show up eventually on Rennlist. The authorities are on the way over as I type. Congrats on the good looking 951 but obviously I'm prejudiced. 
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06-23-2009, 08:12 PM
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as far as the 10ths thing goes- if you dont drive the car you are driving it 0/10ths- if you are driving it about 50% of its potential- say on the street- 5/10ths- and if you are driving it as fast as the car will possibly go - 10/10ths.
06-23-2009, 10:10 PM
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I suggest taking your new 951 out on the track during lunchtime "touring" at Vintage or PCA road racing events at Road America, Blackhawk or Autobahn. These are for street cars, out for an hour "touring" the track with passengers belted in, but some of us do go a little fast. Did I say fast?
