Deutsch Nine 968TRS Group Buy.
03-27-2009, 04:08 AM
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Just made yesterday some 911 fiberglass stuff, and wondered again why i am making that. That is so s**t business to do. I can easily understand why D9 product might sound expensive. At least from the pictures you can see it is very well done. Making good products from GF (like D9 wing) it usually means multiple molds because of the shape . That means you have to "glue" all these parts together and after that finish the product. Making one 968 turbo RS wing can take several hours, almost one working day (if the quality is held at top level). We all have to think in what price we are willing to do this kind of product for sale. What is the value of out working hour etc. Also material cost something. After all also GF/polyester is not totally free.
If we would like to have these for better price it might be better idea to have it fabricated from something else like plastic. I suppose CPR/Patrick can calculate the price for tooling etc. I can understand tooling might be expensive tough, if we think how many potential customers there might be. Then there is the third possibility; fabricate wing ourselves. Making GF products is not that difficult if you have some time to learn it. After all most people who make GF products have learn it.
btw i just bought new unused oem 968 turbo RS rear wing for 150€. I already sold it to USA....
If we would like to have these for better price it might be better idea to have it fabricated from something else like plastic. I suppose CPR/Patrick can calculate the price for tooling etc. I can understand tooling might be expensive tough, if we think how many potential customers there might be. Then there is the third possibility; fabricate wing ourselves. Making GF products is not that difficult if you have some time to learn it. After all most people who make GF products have learn it.
btw i just bought new unused oem 968 turbo RS rear wing for 150€. I already sold it to USA....
I was looking to support patrick and his business and at the sametime get a sweet custom CF TRS wing made for my car thats a one off. I'm not looking for a free lunch and im getting a little pissed at someone thinking I might be. Thats not why I made this thread and honeslty if its that big of a deal i'll buy mine quitely and we can let this thread go where ever it needs to.
03-27-2009, 04:28 AM
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I am not aiming this against you or nobody else. I mean we just need to think these parts more carefully (What it takes to fabricate them). Take for example AIR(or what ever) style splitter. Rather easy product to fabricate. Usually it also need two molds, after that two parts are laminated together. Don't know the US price, somwhere $200 perhaps? Then think 968 Turbo wing. The final product contais three GF made parts.Just look the shape of these, it easily need to be fabricated from 6-9 different molds. Laminate these parts together, finish the product. Someone also have fabricated the parts for adjustment. If this wing would cost about $500 then simple GF front splitter should cost $50. What we need to find out is the fact manufacturers would like to have also some profit.
03-27-2009, 07:15 AM
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Ok, I'll bite..(john, this is not directed at you. Its an open letter to RL'isters)
I would like a 09' RSR (price dependent). Come on guys put your money up!
D9 is making a real nice TRS wing, cost + $1100'ish. Why would you expect Patrick to go through the same trouble making a TRS wing when everyone crapped on his V3 splitter? Then you want him to make a carbon version for less money than D9's?? Once he sells it for close to cost, you want him to add things on, remove parts, change designs, blah, blah, blah.. Sounds like fun.
Making parts and "helping" people out with the costs is great but, I can't see asking someone to go through all that trouble when D9 already has a finished product. I'm not supporting either vendor, I'm just asking why must people on this forum constantly beat up the very few vendors we have?? At $125 a month to become a vendor, you need to make a few bucks to continue to come out with new products.. If we don't pay, vendors will stop making new things.
Prove me wrong, I would bet if you priced up the OEM rubber wing, it would be north of $1k. Why are we constantly asking for more and expecting to pay less????
As CPR suggested, we should contact D9, pay regular price but ship them in together to lower overall costs. Once they get here, have someone donate their time to split them up and send them around the US.
Ok, rant over.. Sorry for the tone but stuff like this gets me going. This post may not come accross as constructive so, ban suit on..
I would like a 09' RSR (price dependent). Come on guys put your money up!
D9 is making a real nice TRS wing, cost + $1100'ish. Why would you expect Patrick to go through the same trouble making a TRS wing when everyone crapped on his V3 splitter? Then you want him to make a carbon version for less money than D9's?? Once he sells it for close to cost, you want him to add things on, remove parts, change designs, blah, blah, blah.. Sounds like fun.
Making parts and "helping" people out with the costs is great but, I can't see asking someone to go through all that trouble when D9 already has a finished product. I'm not supporting either vendor, I'm just asking why must people on this forum constantly beat up the very few vendors we have?? At $125 a month to become a vendor, you need to make a few bucks to continue to come out with new products.. If we don't pay, vendors will stop making new things.
Prove me wrong, I would bet if you priced up the OEM rubber wing, it would be north of $1k. Why are we constantly asking for more and expecting to pay less????
As CPR suggested, we should contact D9, pay regular price but ship them in together to lower overall costs. Once they get here, have someone donate their time to split them up and send them around the US.
Ok, rant over.. Sorry for the tone but stuff like this gets me going. This post may not come accross as constructive so, ban suit on..
03-27-2009, 08:02 AM
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John,
That did not exactly come across as I intended, nor the subsequent fallout on the residual posts.
This is not Johns fault, it is mine. I appreciate what he was trying to do and the loyalty exhibited therein. It is a rare trait these days.
Anyway, I PM'd D9 on your behalf. If you guys cannot work something out, then I will do what I can for you and the others. As stated I will help where I can, when I can....eihter way.
That did not exactly come across as I intended, nor the subsequent fallout on the residual posts.
This is not Johns fault, it is mine. I appreciate what he was trying to do and the loyalty exhibited therein. It is a rare trait these days.
Anyway, I PM'd D9 on your behalf. If you guys cannot work something out, then I will do what I can for you and the others. As stated I will help where I can, when I can....eihter way.
03-27-2009, 10:01 AM
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John,
That did not exactly come across as I intended, nor the subsequent fallout on the residual posts.
This is not Johns fault, it is mine. I appreciate what he was trying to do and the loyalty exhibited therein. It is a rare trait these days.
Anyway, I PM'd D9 on your behalf. If you guys cannot work something out, then I will do what I can for you and the others. As stated I will help where I can, when I can....eihter way.
That did not exactly come across as I intended, nor the subsequent fallout on the residual posts.
This is not Johns fault, it is mine. I appreciate what he was trying to do and the loyalty exhibited therein. It is a rare trait these days.
Anyway, I PM'd D9 on your behalf. If you guys cannot work something out, then I will do what I can for you and the others. As stated I will help where I can, when I can....eihter way.
03-27-2009, 02:02 PM
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I would also be in, price dependent. Don't really care who I get it from, as long as I get the 968 trim as well for a reasonable price (and I'm probably asking too much here, but I figure it's worth a shot) 
03-28-2009, 04:20 AM
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t from, as long as I get the 968 trim as well for a reasonable price
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03-28-2009, 07:43 PM
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Cross posted on the 968 forum. D9 says that if we get 10 buyers they can lower the price and there is also a possible CF option.
03-29-2009, 02:10 AM
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03-29-2009, 02:20 AM
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What is everyone thinking on shipping? I might be up for having them ship them all to me if it saves a good bit of money. Thats alot of work to ship them out individually from there but, I wouldn't be opposed to it if it saved us some real coin.
03-29-2009, 02:23 AM
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Depending what can be done with a group buy price i could probably swing for one also. And if shipped to John, to make life a little easier i can just drive up and pick it up.
I swear this forum is going to make me go broke. Im happy i didnt buy the AIR wing last fall when i had money burning a hole in my pocket..
I swear this forum is going to make me go broke. Im happy i didnt buy the AIR wing last fall when i had money burning a hole in my pocket..
03-29-2009, 02:26 AM
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Future should be getting back to me on price soon. Fiberglass and CF both. I'll post everything up when I know.