Lorax

Then just let it go..

lart951

I am counting to 10 and holding my breath.....................

porshhhh951

Yeah first several times I did. Now its gotten annoying. I think it would to you to if you had someone arguing with you over and over again about you're own damn car.

You asked why the thread... I was explaining the many reasons. Either you can accept it or not. Everyone can get pissed off at times and everyone reaches their threshold.

porshhhh951

Why you certainly haven't in other threads. Insulting my weight loss making a joke and arguing with me about my own damn car and races. Why don't you continue that convo over in that other thread where it started.

https://rennlist.com/forums/showthre...53#post3917553

That way this thread stays on topic.

lart951

I am trying to put it in a way that insults will be minimize. But if you haven't realized yet, you are the one that comes down here calling people stupid and ignorant. lol. I'll respond on the other thread no problem.

porshhhh951

thanks

Fluidplay

I'm new to the world of 951, love the car, it's truly an awesome machine! have owned and been re-buliding mine inside and out for over a year. My point is... i have spent an additional 15K into it since the purchase and still haven't reached my goals for this car. When all said and done i will have close to 40k invested (i use that term loosely). I agree these cars are pound for pound extremely competitive with what's out today, but there are some pretty awesome cars out there. I was out at a DE event in Irvine last week and there was an incredible Z twin turbo pushing 500+rwhp. It was stunning!! Keep our minds open, you never know where life will take you?

Porschefile

Can I have another helping of reality waffles please? Way to serve 'em up there Jeremy and John.

All I have to say is, I'm a paying member and I love these cars to death. Personally I'd just like to see less of a hostile and more of an open-minded 924/944/968 community. I'm not saying I want everyone to like the same stuff I do but, it gets a little old having everyone attack what they don't understand and what they don't like just because it's different.

Colin Emerson

Not appreciating a certain type of vehicle does not make you ignorant or stupid. It is the comments people make about these other vehicles which makes them appear ignorant! You may not like the Vette, but to question it's performance is ignorant.

RKD in OKC

I've got it!!!

Why do 944 Turbo owners hate other cars?

Because...All the other cars, they Suck!

porshhhh951

here here.

Jeremy Himsel

Wow, there are a bunch of pissed off people here over nothing. Each of us has the right to like/dislike other cars and I really find it amusing when a 17 year old chimes in to tell me/us how great his 951 is and however it’s the best car on the planet. However, Lart can afford other vehicles, has other vehicles, and probably has a good reason why the 951 is his favorite. Let me compare my 944/51/Z06 a bit

My 944 is nothing but transportation that has a comfortable driving position and decent handling, but lacks power and braking and because of it’s age (84) is a maintenance hound despite being one of the finest 944’s I’ve ever seen. You still have to listen for every creak, moan, and groan because it’s a 23 year old car. The lack of power and brakes is really noticeable when you have to merge onto a freeway, accelerate out of a dangerous situation, or stop short. You really have to work at it to get it to accelerate and be in the right gear and rev it up a bit. Even though just about everything on it has been replaced, you still regularly have things that go bad. Just recently a CV started clicking, the sun visor clip broke, and the passenger’s side window switch stopped working. The month before that the cheesehead that holds the mirror’s base together vibrated it’s way loose, the Idle control motor failed, and the TPS went bad. Really minor stuff but with a 23 year old car it is recurring and I am a fanatic about my vehicles and make sure that every little thing gets repaired promptly.

That leads to my 951 which I purchased about 7 years ago for about 10K with 70K miles on it. The car was in beautiful condition and just need a good cleaning and buffing. However, when you really start to look at these cars you realize that every seal is in need of replacement, the vacuum lines are rock hard, you should be on third set of shocks/struts, and things will start to fail. For a few hundred dollars you can get really impressive power that will be on par with a lot of current vehicles to a certain degree. A FRESH 951 will run close to a lot of modern vehicles. Emphasis is on fresh. There is a myth out there that someone who dumped 10K on a 89 951 with the original Koni’s or earlier cars with Boge’s, stock pads, 20 year old bushings, 100K mile radiators, can run with these modern cars all day long and that’s not the case at all. It may do it from time to time but you can’t expect it of wear items that are 20 years old. However, my perspective is like many other guys such as Lart, Ski, ST, and a dozen others who believe a lightly modified and well maintained (the later being somewhat expensive) 951 can run with the modern “over achievers” successfully. Maintenance is the key here and that doesn’t make the 951 as reasonable of a performance choice for everyone any more.

One other aspect that is often overlooked is the 951 is not an every man’s car. For example, dump a guy who drives a mustang, corvette, or WRX for that matter into a 951 and it is very likely he will be slow. The 951 is more of a driver’s car and you have to know what gear to keep it in, how to keep it in that sweet spot, and how to modulate on/off boost on the racetrack to get the car to turn. Even on the street you have to slip the clutch a bit just starting from roll otherwise it’s a dog from idle to about 2300 RPM’s. Once you master this the 951 is a very fast car. For example, If my wife drives my 951 and I drive my ZO6, I will kill her in virtually any range (straight line). However, I don’t care how good of a driver you are in my Z06, in a straight line with me driving my 951 you won’t have a chance in hell from a 20mph roll. It won’t even be close as my 951 will eat a stock (c5) ZO6 for lunch from 20 mph on. On the race track, that’s a different story.

My 951 has some really cool stuff on it and you would be surprised how closely some of the stuff matches up to the ZO6 stock. I have a Vitesse stage 2, home ported head (really just a clean-up and port match job), MAF, 3” exhaust, cup clutch, Fidanza, and a dozen other items that make HP. On the Suspension side I have Charlie arms, big reds, 30mm ft sway bar, welt rear, a mixture of delrin, urethane, and poly bronze bushings, 18 x 10 & 9 CCW’s with tires to fill them out, escort cup shocks, 350lb ft springs, 300 rear (stock t-bars), camber plates, and a ton of other things that make this a well equipped street/track car. If you disagree with me about my mods please let me know but not much of this car is untouched and nothing is considered extreme nor mild. Oh yeah, I have a 3.0L that is going in next.

My 2002 ZO6, bone stock, weighs in at 3080 without drive and just under ½ tank of gas, comes with 10.5 and 9.5” wheels, 325mm ft rotors, 305mm rears, 30mm fr sway bars 23.6 rear, 650In/lb front springs (leaf) 680 rear, 45mm shock pistons (made by Boge for GM), 720 n-mm/deg static stiffness, titanium exhaust, as well as ABS, modern air bags, and an impressive traction control system and variable steering. With just a set of 1 3/4” long tube headers, x-pipe, a simple air box mod, and a retune you will put down 400ft/lbs and in the high 390’s Hp to the wheels. All of this on 91 pump gas in a car that will run on a track for 6 to 8 hours a day in 100 degree weather with the AC on. Oh yeah, you can get this for about 30K now days and I see about 19MPG around town and average about 28 on the freeway. Considering how much money I, and many of us, have tied up in our cars this is a screaming value, like it or not. Maintenance? Well, these cars are a joke to work on and if it takes you an hour to change the water pump you have issues. Reliability? Everyone who knows me I don’t rub my car with a diaper and everything I own sees the track (except for the navigator) and the ZO6 in 5 years and 21K has seen 1 set of tires, frequent fluid changes, and a new battery……… That’s it. Talk all the **** you want but there’s not another car out there giving the same value.

Driving impressions? I love the 951 because you really feel connected to the road. You have to work to make the car move but it is very rewarding, shifts like a dream, has a great driver’s position, a ton of visibility, is one of the most nimble vehicles I have ever driven, and the seating is great. The 951 is sooooooo 80’s but that’s what I love about it. The corvette on the other hand is very easy to drive fast and at the limit. It just goes wherever you point it and throttle modulation and rotation is a snap. This car is very responsive to driver’s inputs and VERY predictable. It’s also a great car for daily driving (this is what I drive mostly) and reliability is outstanding for a pushrod motor with a 6500 rev limiter (that I bounce off of frequently). The interior is very no-frills, the seats are cheap, and because of the low seating position and track width, steering it is kind of like screwing a fat lady………meaning it seems like more work then it really is and stock it shifts like a dump truck. I hate the way the cars looks but I didn’t buy it for the emblem……..

Fishey

I honestly get great joy in pointing out flaws in other peoples cars expecially when they argue about it and are wrong. Its like a challenge you see who can make there car look better by being internet warriors. This usually leads to conflict and drama and I happen to enjoy both.

lart951

Show me a quote of someone questioning the C6 Z06 performance, show me please.

lart951

btw here is my small collection, one 951 still in the garage and my wife went shopping and took the 07 mustang GT, I let the woman drive my V8's , lol