AW, you clearly have too much time on your hands.
As for negating my original off the cuff statement about noticing how certain countries seem to specialise in certain fields, I wasn't intending your employer to stop the presses nor do I mind that you disagree. My Automotive credentials are but for various reasons I'm learning a little along the way. You however do espouse 'the knowledge' and therefore I'm happy to take your opinions on board although repeated requests for you to reveal your identity or even your background / experience are always met with your soft shoe shuffle (as impressive your ability to wriggle, twist, deflect and obfuscate is). Yet we must in the end compare you to others out there who offer sage advice. In no particular order there is John@VR, Chris White, Dave McGrath,
Jim aka Special Tool, Lindsey bros etc to name a few on this forum. It would seem only fair that you also reveal your hand otherwise it's ultimately hard to grant you the same attention as we Joe Publics do with these guys.

 

I'm no Polesky fan but you are as right as rain ........BINGO ...........He's a Nut Hugger alright

 

....and still nothing...but thanks for setting your alarm to make that response...

 

I was only giving my JQ Public opinion like you .....

You said they where leaders in there respective field and i disagree , but alas
You JQ opinion is bigger than My JQ opinion, I then offer the opinions of Experts who state Autronics is " Crap " and he bowls and it was a No ...
still not good enuff, brushed off as just another set of opinion .

And he Bowls and it's a six..............................

What can i say , Ohhh The Irony ......................................

What you need to do now is nod your head : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WQpr...eature=related

 

Just as I thought, more useless information. All I'm saying is, if your going to make a statement, back it up with your experiences. Perhaps start a thread on all your tuning experience. I'm positive it would be a very useful thread.

The reason for me asking asking to see your car etc., which it seems you probably don't even own one, might actually show you are doing something rather than letting people think your a janitor in a shop BUT instead, I'm sure you will continue to deflect and fill up the forum with non technical information, thanks, Its really helpful..

 

Ohh The Irony


your .02c was very technical .......

I would love to see your "tuning" experiences , maybe the " missing link " ..............
C'mon evil anti- up sumting and whats wrong with my cars , i gave pics and a bio ...

I'm JQ bus rider, Just Nod .....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WQpr...eature=related

 

There is nothing wrong with having different opinions on EMS systems, healthy debates, and engaging conversations. But this thread has now twisted and there are personal attacks by several parties. Please get it back on track.

 

and yet another deflection. I would love to discuss tuning and standalones, That is what this thread is about but when all you get is deflections and then personal attacks, it kinda makes it hard to have a discussion.

If you have an opinion on Link products, I'd love to hear it. As far as anti'ing up anything, why bother. If I read your posts correctly, if its not Motec, you don't want to discuss.

The thing I can't understand is, you have a strong opinion yet you will not divulge your experience with Link or Autronics products. I'm sure you have experience with Link or Autronics if you don't care for them, right? Otherwise you wouldn't be wasting our time with these charades, right? This is not personal, I'm just trying to learn more about these systems. I would love to hear it from someone that has used and experienced all of them. After all, that is the purpose of this thread.

 

this is an EMS thread. stop it guys.

 

Maybe the question should be what Stand Alone EMS systems really should be avoided for our cars? We all know the favorites.

I wonder if we can answer this question with out any sarcasm?

Dave is there an exhaust headed my way yet?

 

I understand that the VIPEC Is indeed the G4 extreme, but Ray hall seems very interested in making sure VIPEC is well supported. So do several suppliers, JUST as it is true with Link.

RPM/load mapping for EACH injector x8, which only autronic and higher end ECUs have, as I understand.

Good, moderatley paced updates that do not change your original settings.



I have been doing research on ECUs for nearly 6 years now. They get better and better, but some (haltech, Wolf) seem to hide facts that they do not want you to know. One of those is the way the injector control can be mapped when in sequential.

 

Ohhh The Irony ,

You make no freaking sense , you respond with nothing , where is your dyno sheet , mushroom cloud pic , anything !


You swing in with that other clairvoyant numbnut in regards to a discussion by Patrick and myself ...regarding ECU's ..

You must have some involvement with Link , Do you have any involvement with Link ?


This started with my response to Patrick's post :

This was my response to Patrick ... See humor

This was now Patrick response , describing the products ;isted below as being Leading products in there field...

Now this i strongly disagree, because it is very misleading...IMHO
Hence my response :

This was Patricks technical response to me questioning his judgement ,


LMAO ... the Irony

So this tells me i struck a nerve , right at this point this is no longer an EMS discussion , it's a A.Wayne Discussion with negative intent , there is nothing technical here from here it is all personal attacks from 333, Evil and M42 .

So Patrick are you or anyone you know having a bad experience with Link or Autronics ?

Patrick are you and Evil connected in anyway with LInk and Autronics?

What about M42 are you connected to M42 apart from corresponding on this board ?

Patrick you and Evil have turned an EMS discussion into sumting personal and M42 swoops in displaying his usual childish reprobate behavior ...you guys must be tied in someway ..

What say you ?

Yes there is Sumting Wong Hair

Anti-up or Zip it .........................

 

OK great can we please get back on topic.

 

Disagree there are many issues abound , saying you can do something is totally different to performing the task, not because it is an listed feature makes it good ...

I had posted comments from other end users and they are unanimous in their criticisms....
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Okay, forget autronic. Its priced too high for what it does now. My statements were more about the Link/Vipec. It seems to be working well, better than ecus above its price point. I don't want to buy, try and find easy support for, or have a motec. The whole issue with motec just doesn't ring true of me.

I am sure it works great. But its ubiquitous - "MOTEC" everyone says "motec" because they were told so by others. Thats fine. Some even have great personal experiences.

What I find ridiculous is that people will disregard OTHER ecus simply because motec is supposed to be the best. Fine - spend 6k and get the best. But to me and many others, it seems like you could spend 1500 and get very good. 80/20 rule. 80% of the work for 20% of the price/effort/thinking, and to get the last 20% takes 80% of the price/effort/thinking.

I am not running the 24 hours of lemans. I just want to control some VERY large injectors using ethanol and boost to get as close as I can to "ludicrous speed" if you will, while still idling properly, a great cruise ability, and some fun stuff like traction control, launch, flat shift.

Now I KNOW for a fact that autronic is not as bad as you and some others are making it out to be. I will not argue as there is no point. Autronic on a 5L 32V 928 is getting close to 900 crank hp, on pump gas and 32psi from a supercharger. Each cylinder has been trimmed and mapped with separate 02 sensors (yes - 8 of them) - and the car runs and drives better than stock, but is a banshy when he puts the foot in it. The software has more options that most users will ever even use let alone fully understand.

But I will not be buying motec. I will be buying Link/Vipec as I understand them now. They work well, have great injector control, and have the tuning software to match. Support from many people in my area and aboad.

Yes, Ben Strader LOVES to hype Autronic. What is wrong with that? People need to make their own decisions, no matter what advice they get. If I am "influenced" as a new tuner into doing something not in my best interests, - who's fault is that? Mine. I am responsible for my decisions and no one else is.

If I ripped out a GM map based ECU from an old 90s car and tuned my porsche motor properly with it and was happy - would you say that the ECU sucked and there were better options for me? But if it worked for me, who cares?

Now the drama here is not needed. I do agree with the discussion of features vs the *ability* to tune properly/repeatedly WITH the features. AEM is an example - BASIC tunes somehow change without the user knowing, but it has features up the wazoo. If thats user error - fine.

Again, no drama needed. Haltech - no rpm/load based mapping of individual cylinders. Same for Wolf as I undertstand. Same for AEM. Same for Tec(whatever), and same for most other ECUs. Somewhere, someone, somehow realized the logic of saying that an engine is made up of individual separately run 1cyl engines x4, x6, x8, x10, x12 or 16 for hells bells.

So each intake runner will get slightly different air. Each exhaust will have slightly different pulse waves from the angles and exits. Would it not be logical to *be able* to have a map for each cylinder? On the 928 intake, some runners were 15% lean at the same rpm and load that others were 10% rich. At 32psi that seems pretty damn important to me.

And when I want to run some methanol with my ethanol - which ECU will allow me to put another dimension on the fuel table so I can properly utilize the methanol when its on? Many. But what if the methanol does not get evenly to each cylinder?