944 V8 Race car for Sale
09-11-2007, 06:50 PM
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You mean to tell me you have a LS1 with a “Custom” intake (I don’t see anything custom about it and it’s not a FAST 90/90), MTI ported throttle body (oooh big deal), 3 choked” exhaust, “big” roller cam (can you define big), and an ECU re-flash and you’re making crack smoking 475 HP. That’s a 125 HP increase over a stock LS1? Not to mention your upgrading to a just a top end kit and you’ll put down 520RWHP (590 BHP) NA with a ls1. You’re increasing your LS1’s Hp by 70% with just bolt-on’s? Are you’re posting rennlist horsepower again? Tony, you're the MAN BABY.
09-11-2007, 06:53 PM
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Tony, that is the best thing I read all day. Thanks for the laugh man. You mean to tell me you have a LS1 with a “Custom” intake (I don’t see anything custom about it and it’s not a FAST 90/90), MTI ported throttle body (oooh big deal), 3 choked” exhaust, “big” roller cam (can you define big), and an ECU re-flash and you’re making crack smoking 475 HP. That’s a 125 HP increase over a stock LS1? Not to mention your upgrading to a just a top end kit and you’ll put down 520RWHP (590 BHP) NA with a ls1. You’re increasing your LS1’s Hp by 70% with just bolt-on’s? Are you’re posting rennlist horsepower again?
I happen to know a thing or three about the LS motors and I have a few questions for you. You have a LS-1 motor that you state is making 475 HP right? You do know that the LS1 (@ 10.1 to 1 compression) made 350 stock. The LS-6 motor, with a bigger cam, revised intake, different heads, exhaust, different MAF, and 10.5 to 1 compression, modified blocks, only made 405 (+55 over a LS-1) and dyno about 360 RWHP and your LS1 is trumping that by another 70?
Even with a big cam, throttle body, short headers, and while I have no idea what “custom” means when it comes to your intake, let’s say it’s a LS-1 version (if you give me the part number by the injectors I can tell you) with some porting you’re about 50 to 60 HP shy and I'm being generous. Is it Magic or did you add up all of the “advertised” gains in the summit racing catalog? Did you buy it from the bean stalk guy?
Please tell me what you think my LS-6 makes with a 232 /240 .595/.608 112/114 cam, 32” 1 ¾” true long tubes (3” primaries), dual 3” x-piped exhaust, Halltec intake, HS roller rockers, and a reflash by the best in the business makes because I must be over 500 now. Later this year I’m adding a FAST 90/90, 205 AFR heads, injectors, and a 5lb bag of pixie dust so do you think I’ll see 600 RWHP?
Tony, you're the MAN BABY.
I don't see anything unusual about 520 rw, Jeremy.
I believe he will rev to 12,000 rpm.
09-11-2007, 07:19 PM
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09-11-2007, 07:21 PM
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Ohhh, then I stand corrected. I didn't realize it was the Tonysaki Ls2000 version. Or would that make it a Suzukarcia? I thought it was this one... http://www.tonygarcia.org/944V8/
09-12-2007, 10:21 PM
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Wow, Jeremy yourself and special tool, why are you guys being so jealous of TinyG? If he says he can get 520rwhp with bolt ons I believe him, if TinyG says he is 5" 6' believe him, why? because I know TinyG in person, we used to be like carrows and peas back in mexico. He is the man who invented the internet and Tinyg was also in charge of the desing team behind the carrera Gt so please stop the attacks and let's be more constructive around here okay.
09-12-2007, 10:44 PM
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Sorry.... the quote should not have been rwhp, rather hp at the crank. My mistake.
The top end config consists of heads, cam, valvetrain, intake, etc....
Also, the engine pictured at www.tonygarcia.org/944V8 is coming out. A completely different LS-1 engine is going in, in a couple weeks. FWIW, the picks of the 944V8 were when the car was not-yet complete. The car has changed considerably since those pictures (exhaust, control arms, spring rates, interior, etc..).
And as far as performance goes... I'd never own a turbo 4 again. The V8 is light, has tons of TQ everywhere, and can be made to have as much HP as you'd ever want (reliably).
If any of you are ever in LA and want to drive the car, feel free to contact me. You're welcome to take it for a spin. You'll love it. I promise. I was a skeptical until I drove one. And of all the Porsche's I've owned and driven, the LS1 944 is by far the most fun.
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The top end config consists of heads, cam, valvetrain, intake, etc....
Also, the engine pictured at www.tonygarcia.org/944V8 is coming out. A completely different LS-1 engine is going in, in a couple weeks. FWIW, the picks of the 944V8 were when the car was not-yet complete. The car has changed considerably since those pictures (exhaust, control arms, spring rates, interior, etc..).
And as far as performance goes... I'd never own a turbo 4 again. The V8 is light, has tons of TQ everywhere, and can be made to have as much HP as you'd ever want (reliably).
If any of you are ever in LA and want to drive the car, feel free to contact me. You're welcome to take it for a spin. You'll love it. I promise. I was a skeptical until I drove one. And of all the Porsche's I've owned and driven, the LS1 944 is by far the most fun.
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09-12-2007, 11:51 PM
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:Please tell me what you think my LS-6 makes with a 232 /240 .595/.608 112/114 cam, 32” 1 ¾” true long tubes (3” primaries), dual 3” x-piped exhaust, Halltec intake, HS roller rockers, and a reflash by the best in the business makes because I must be over 500 now. Later this year I’m adding a FAST 90/90, 205 AFR heads, injectors, and a 5lb bag of pixie dust so do you think I’ll see 600 RWHP?.
09-13-2007, 06:46 AM
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Blah, viper/vettes. Too much weight up front. Isnt the new vettes still riding on leaf springs??? Wtf is up with that? Their is so much more to a car than a beefy engine, it seems within the last few years GM has been taking this into consideration. But arent they(vettes) almost totally designed in germany now??? lol. Chevy V8's do tune cheap, tho. But how much power do you really want on the street?
09-13-2007, 07:11 AM
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Blah, viper/vettes. Too much weight up front. Isnt the new vettes still riding on leaf springs??? Wtf is up with that? Their is so much more to a car than a beefy engine, it seems within the last few years GM has been taking this into consideration. But arent they(vettes) almost totally designed in germany now??? lol. Chevy V8's do tune cheap, tho. But how much power do you really want on the street?
09-13-2007, 11:10 AM
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09-13-2007, 11:32 AM
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Here's a stock LS1 engine with just a "top end" (stock short block) - 483HP at the wheels with big TQ everywhere:
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Here's link from a magazine test on a 602 Hp LS1 (stock bore & stroke), under $20k (efi to oil pan), peak Hp at 6800 rpms.
http://airflowresearch.com/articles/article101/A-P1.htm
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No blown head gaskets :-)
TonyG
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Here's link from a magazine test on a 602 Hp LS1 (stock bore & stroke), under $20k (efi to oil pan), peak Hp at 6800 rpms.
http://airflowresearch.com/articles/article101/A-P1.htm
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No blown head gaskets :-)
TonyG
09-13-2007, 11:42 AM
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Blah, viper/vettes. Too much weight up front. Isnt the new vettes still riding on leaf springs??? Wtf is up with that? Their is so much more to a car than a beefy engine, it seems within the last few years GM has been taking this into consideration. But arent they(vettes) almost totally designed in germany now??? lol.
This car will be 1,000 @ the motor. It's headed twords a 400 + CI TT based on a C5R block, 225 cc heads, and a 5 bar MAP based ECU. As soon as the 951 is 100% completed this project will be in full swing.
09-13-2007, 11:51 AM
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Here's a stock LS1 engine with just a "top end" (stock short block) - 483HP at the wheels with big TQ everywhere:
..................
Here's link from a magazine test on a 602 Hp LS1 (stock bore & stroke), under $20k (efi to oil pan), peak Hp at 6800 rpms.
.................
No blown head gaskets :-)
TonyG
..................
Here's link from a magazine test on a 602 Hp LS1 (stock bore & stroke), under $20k (efi to oil pan), peak Hp at 6800 rpms.
.................
No blown head gaskets :-)
TonyG
09-13-2007, 12:46 PM
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The web page for the V8 944 is, by far, out of date.
I need to correct the web page, but the heads are not stock, the exhaust "Y" from the headers to the single 3" cat back has been changed (the one in the picture was temped up to get the car able to drive temporarily). The intake has been port matched to the heads and has been opened up at the throttle body opening. The larger-than-stock throttle body itself has been opened up as well.
The exhaust situation is going to change again. It's going to a dual 3" all the way back.
The new top end package uses AFR heads, a different cam (from what's installed now), and possibly (more probably than possibly) a custom ITB intake system with a custom EFI (motec).
There are several other things about the car that have been changed which are non-engine related (more stuff I need to update).
TonyG
The web page for the V8 944 is, by far, out of date.
I need to correct the web page, but the heads are not stock, the exhaust "Y" from the headers to the single 3" cat back has been changed (the one in the picture was temped up to get the car able to drive temporarily). The intake has been port matched to the heads and has been opened up at the throttle body opening. The larger-than-stock throttle body itself has been opened up as well.
The exhaust situation is going to change again. It's going to a dual 3" all the way back.
The new top end package uses AFR heads, a different cam (from what's installed now), and possibly (more probably than possibly) a custom ITB intake system with a custom EFI (motec).
There are several other things about the car that have been changed which are non-engine related (more stuff I need to update).
TonyG