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04-06-2006, 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by TurboTim
Last time I checked a 1.75" 321SS U-bend from Burns was well over $60.The bigger 2" tuning was over $100 for a u-bend! It only takes about two feet of straight for a U-bend but the price is high because of the machine that bends it.They are not cheap.
04-06-2006, 11:25 PM
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BTW, good excuse for the high prices though..........BUT.............1.75"-2.00" 321SS piping can be bought in 30, 45, 60, 75, and 90 degree bends (with different bend radiuses to choose from) for between $17 and $32 each, depending on leg lengths........
Should I stop now? (Don't wanna kill your sales................)
Should I stop now? (Don't wanna kill your sales................)
04-06-2006, 11:44 PM
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d993; where did you get those prices? this got me interested so i did some searching and managed to find a few more suppliers, but i don't know what their prices are;
http://www.atlasmetals.com.au/produc...s_tubular.html
http://www.goodfellow.com/csp/active...%20Steel%20321
http://www.spdexhaust.com/bend-specs.html
http://exhaustedbyphillips.com/stainless__u.htm
http://www.indiamart.com/technosteel/
tim; this might be a good time to shop around again. i'm sure i speak for many others when i say i would love to get your equal length exhaust if only the price was closer to my reach and justification.
http://www.atlasmetals.com.au/produc...s_tubular.html
http://www.goodfellow.com/csp/active...%20Steel%20321
http://www.spdexhaust.com/bend-specs.html
http://exhaustedbyphillips.com/stainless__u.htm
http://www.indiamart.com/technosteel/
tim; this might be a good time to shop around again. i'm sure i speak for many others when i say i would love to get your equal length exhaust if only the price was closer to my reach and justification.
04-07-2006, 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by DanR 1201
What about making them in thickwalled steel? Could be a considerable cost saving and easier to manage the expansion, distortion and cracking problems. I'd like to start with a tri-y set up that's a direct replacement for the OEM headers. If later on, I decide to modify further then I'd spend the extra for a stainless equal length system. Steel will still last several years and with regular use wouldn't rust internally. Externally could be ceramic coated.
The problem is that is would weight more then 50lbs and your studs in your head will snap.
04-07-2006, 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by d993
BTW, good excuse for the high prices though..........BUT.............1.75"-2.00" 321SS piping can be bought in 30, 45, 60, 75, and 90 degree bends (with different bend radiuses to choose from) for between $17 and $32 each, depending on leg lengths........
Should I stop now? (Don't wanna kill your sales................)
Should I stop now? (Don't wanna kill your sales................)
I said u-bends(meaning a 180 degree bend) at $60.You are saying 90 degree bend at $32 a piece.If I use your prices, the header materials cost more then I qouted.Please continue.This is enlightening.
04-07-2006, 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by nize
d993; where did you get those prices? this got me interested so i did some searching and managed to find a few more suppliers, but i don't know what their prices are;
http://www.atlasmetals.com.au/produc...s_tubular.html
http://www.goodfellow.com/csp/active...%20Steel%20321
http://www.spdexhaust.com/bend-specs.html
http://exhaustedbyphillips.com/stainless__u.htm
http://www.indiamart.com/technosteel/
tim; this might be a good time to shop around again. i'm sure i speak for many others when i say i would love to get your equal length exhaust if only the price was closer to my reach and justification.
http://www.atlasmetals.com.au/produc...s_tubular.html
http://www.goodfellow.com/csp/active...%20Steel%20321
http://www.spdexhaust.com/bend-specs.html
http://exhaustedbyphillips.com/stainless__u.htm
http://www.indiamart.com/technosteel/
tim; this might be a good time to shop around again. i'm sure i speak for many others when i say i would love to get your equal length exhaust if only the price was closer to my reach and justification.
I checked out all these sites.We are a distribuotr for SPD and they are the only ones that have anything useful as far as building these headers.There prices are in-line with Burns.One of the pages had collectors that were 1.25" inlet which is way small and they wanted $280 bucks for them on 304SS.So I will continue to shop but I havent seen much and besdies that I like to stick with the best service and materials possible.This is the only way I would feel comfortable giving a lifetime warranty on our 321SS headers.If you want nice parts made in America that will perform and last, you will pay for it.I started out as most of you guys here .This was a hobby and beleive me when I say, I am not getting rich doing this crap! If I have to lower the prices any further, I might as well go get a job working for someone else.So until the mighty metal man comes down from the sky and lowers the cost of materials, dont expect a price decrease from us anytime soon.Now once in awhile we will put some of these things on sale and you can save a couple hundred bucks.We try to be as fair as possible. But we cannot give these parts away.
Good luck to you Mark.Hopefully it will work out for you.Take care.
04-07-2006, 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by nize
tim; this might be a good time to shop around again. i'm sure i speak for many others when i say i would love to get your equal length exhaust if only the price was closer to my reach and justification.
The justification is 30-56 horsepower on top of what you get once all the other typical upgrades have been done.
04-07-2006, 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by TurboTim
I said u-bends(meaning a 180 degree bend) at $60.You are saying 90 degree bend at $32 a piece.If I use your prices, the header materials cost more then I qouted.Please continue.This is enlightening.
Tomorrow, gotta get some sleep now.
And please, no selective quoting........I said between $17 and $32.
Yes, I can piece togetther a 321SS header for under $150, plus another $50 or so for the crossover pipe and wastegate connector. Add about $30 for flanges and $150 for labor.
That makes $380 in total cost.
Add another $230 for 3.5" piping from turbo back, about $150 for labor, and $100 for a good Magnaflow 3.5" muffler, and that makes it $480.
Now that's a total of $860 for a COMPLETE 321SS header, crossover pipe, downpipe, and rest of the exhaust with muffler!
Now tell me honestly that you guys aren't making a MINIMUM of 100% profit on your header and complete exhaust system, and I'll let you ride my pet unicorn.
04-07-2006, 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by TurboTim
We are a distribuotr for SPD and they are the only ones that have anything useful as far as building these headers.
(IS THAT SO?)
I am not getting rich doing this crap!
(BUT MY BOSS IS)
If I have to lower the prices any further, I might as well go get a job working for someone else.
(Damn, most companies are more than happy with a 50% profit margin)
So until the mighty metal man comes down from the sky and lowers the cost of materials, dont expect a price decrease from us anytime soon.
(GLAD TO HEAR THAT ONE).
Now once in awhile we will put some of these things on sale and you can save a couple hundred bucks. We try to be as fair as possible. But we cannot give these parts away.
(COUPLE HUNDRED BUCKS, AYE? THAT SOUNDS LIKE PLENTY OF ROOM FOR PROFIT TO ME........)
(IS THAT SO?)
I am not getting rich doing this crap!
(BUT MY BOSS IS)
If I have to lower the prices any further, I might as well go get a job working for someone else.
(Damn, most companies are more than happy with a 50% profit margin)
So until the mighty metal man comes down from the sky and lowers the cost of materials, dont expect a price decrease from us anytime soon.
(GLAD TO HEAR THAT ONE).
Now once in awhile we will put some of these things on sale and you can save a couple hundred bucks. We try to be as fair as possible. But we cannot give these parts away.
(COUPLE HUNDRED BUCKS, AYE? THAT SOUNDS LIKE PLENTY OF ROOM FOR PROFIT TO ME........)
04-07-2006, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by TurboTim
The problem is that is would weight more then 50lbs and your studs in your head will snap.
Tim, could they be made with normal header steel tubing as a replacement for the OEM primaries?
04-07-2006, 10:42 AM
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Simple - its a crap load of work to weld up a good set of headers. And you have to be a first rate TIG welder to do it right. Too much heat in the wrong place and the whole header structure will be stressed. I would guess that it takes at least a full day to just weld up a set of the SFR stage 2 headers (I have a set here...and I wouldn't want to weld a set like this!).
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04-07-2006, 11:26 AM
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D993, If you can make anything of any quality for the price point you are talking about, I'll buy 10 of them AND I'll toss in a free ride on MY pet unicorn.
Go troll someone else's thread.
Go troll someone else's thread.