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Old 02-24-2021, 11:17 PM
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Default What Metal are M030 Spindles?

Anyone know the specific alloy?

What is the purpose of the "flats" on the steering knuckle?
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Originally Posted by SeaCay
Anyone know the specific alloy?

What is the purpose of the "flats" on the steering knuckle?
I couldn't tell you the specific alloy, but are you looking to have some spindles made? If so I would strongly argue to update to a modern design upright with a bolt-on wheel bearing/flange and press-in hub. I know that's a lot more work, but would be a more worthwhile venture IMO. Used late-type spindles are still readily available if you need those.

The "flat" in the threaded section of the spindle is to locate tab of the washer that goes behind the spindle nut.

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Not having any made. Just working on my suspension. Have to get them drilled to accept 19mm ballpoint pins, would be nice to let machinist know.

Not the threaded portion, the steering arm, just before it's attachment to the tie rod.
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Flats. My guess.. Counter hold the spindle when tightening or loosening the nut. Otherwise your up against your rack / steering lock
but most people just use an impact
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Originally Posted by GPA951s
Flats. My guess.. Counter hold the spindle when tightening or loosening the nut. Otherwise your up against your rack / steering lock
but most people just use an impact

Makes sense.

No guess on material? One reason I ask is that they don't corrode (at least in my workshop observations). I know they aren't stainless, but there's some kinda metallurgy magicianship going on here.
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Originally Posted by SeaCay
Makes sense.

No guess on material? One reason I ask is that they don't corrode (at least in my workshop observations). I know they aren't stainless, but there's some kinda metallurgy magicianship going on here.
I have some friends who are material engineers so I can ask. There is such a thing as ferritic stainless steel, which is magnetic, so I would imagine that the 944 spindle is such a composition:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics...tainless-steel
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I always assumed they are a type of cast iron. They can corrode. I highly doubt they are stainless; that would be extremely costly and not sure of the benefit.

Never understood the overboring on the spindle. You're taking out 1mm of material from an area that gets huge loads. The spindle is now weaker and will be more likely to break.

If you're searching for strength, the whole system is no good by modern standards.

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I have 19mm ball joint pins (Charlie arms). Spindle ball joint recepticle gets machined.
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Originally Posted by SeaCay
I have 19mm ball joint pins (Charlie arms). Spindle ball joint recepticle gets machined.
I understand the 19mm and therefore the re-boring. But without extensive testing, there's no way of knowing if it's beneficial. You're strengthening one part but directly weakening another.

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Originally Posted by FrenchToast
I understand the 19mm and therefore the re-boring. But without extensive testing, there's no way of knowing if it's beneficial. You're strengthening one part but directly weakening another.
Empirically they have been tested on many occasions. No problem!

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Definitely not stainless.
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CHARLIE ARMS!
I'm jealous
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They are for sure made from 17-4 PH 😆

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Originally Posted by Mike Goebel
Empirically they have been tested on many occasions. No problem!
Respectfully, saying they've been tested doesn't mean much without specifying what kind. Have they undergone destructive testing with multiple samples? Have they been pushed on a jig to the limit? Then the whole system tested by a professional?

I've heard of an overbored one cracking. I would specify how but don't know.

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My car builder insisted I buy new M030 spindles before boring them to accept the 19mm pins - which I've coupled with RE billet hubs and billet aluminium aa-arms.
He felt that with the loads from rose-jointed suspension & R tyres the existing 134,000 mile spindles would be a risk.


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