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Old 05-21-2018 | 10:44 PM
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ahhh...I see said the blind man. You're using a 2.5 block?
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Mostly what im finding is the old general bashing of MIDs due to incorrect piston to wall clearance. I’m having custom racetech pistons made to my bore and they seem pretty sharp, so I think I can get that part right. And if Darton themselves, who worked with Chris White to develop the concept can’t do it...

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Someone on here did mention that they had a failure with a block that Darton installed mid sleeves in. One might want to search on here to see what happened. This was a few years ago and I don't recall who.
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Yes 2.5 block, I’m trying to keep this somewhat reasonable price wise.

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ahhh...I see said the blind man. You're using a 2.5 block?
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Originally Posted by gpr8er
curious why you wouldn't just go the tried and true Alusil method? It's a lot of money to throw down on a MID setup not to mention the risk of failure. Mike is very experienced with Alusil. I heard he did a MID 944 block for the mechanic at Greg Brown's shop Precision Motorwerks.

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You have a lot more piston options with the MIDs, I am running J and Es. The MIDs webbing also fill the block at the top of the block so there is no cylinder movement. And the big point is if you have a piston failure you bore and go with a larger piston. If the MIDs are done properly they are a heck of an asset. The pistons are from a previous build I have bored and gone with a larger piston since this photo. The photo is to show the webbing

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You can dry sleeve the 2.5l block and bore it to 106mm. This was done years ago with good reliability. One Rennlister has about 100k miles on his now street/track. The company that did the sleeves is around LA or San Diego. As I recall it was not that expensive, back then in the $1200-1300 range. I cannot find their contacts I go, as I recall it was "Precision" "forgotten second part of name".

You can also contact LA sleeves and see who they recommend. Darton may also have a list of locals they recommend.
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You can dry sleeve the 2.5l block and bore it to 106mm. This was done years ago with good reliability. One Rennlister has about 100k miles on his now street/track. The company that did the sleeves is around LA or San Diego. As I recall it was not that expensive, back then in the $1200-1300 range. I cannot find their contacts I go, as I recall it was "Precision" "forgotten second part of name".

You can also contact LA sleeves and see who they recommend. Darton may also have a list of locals they recommend.
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Precision was the company that did the RAGE2 car 2.5 block in Calgary. That's the block that's sitting in my garage right now.....not the 100k mile block that is still running belonging to David Floyd .....see post 21 on my thread. Pics of the 106mm pistons on the link. I suppose I should post some pics of the block. I was impressed with how well the sleeves held up to the destruction of the connecting rod snapping.

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side note on alusil, OP is doing a 944/Mitsu hybrid stroker so no off the shelf 944 alusil (wossner) pistons work.
and having wossner make custom ones is a thousand-buck proposition...yikes.
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And custom racetech pistons are only marginally more expensive than JEs.
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Going more modern with compression as well, 9.5:1, with welded quench pads as well as porting and shaping of head and chamber. Hopefully the pistons can be made to match the oversized valves to get the right compression while maintaining non interference. This is a fun project, hope I don’t muck it up.
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Going more modern with compression as well, 9.5:1, with welded quench pads as well as porting and shaping of head and chamber. Hopefully the pistons can be made to match the oversized valves to get the right compression while maintaining non interference. This is a fun project, hope I don’t muck it up.
be cool to see results of that.

i think you could get good results shaping the 944 combustion chamber like the 1996-up GM L31 vortec heads, "heart shaped fast burn" style.

search this forum for l31 vortec, i made a comparison thread years ago.
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We’ll see what the head guy comes up with, kinda letting him take point on the specifics since he’s a race engine builder and I’m a hobbyist.




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