JamesJefferson

@Nicole, Lovely car, but I'm that shallow that the blue dash would annoy me.

mike77

You couldn't live with guards red?

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/used-cars/porsche/928/used-porsche-928-5-4-gts-2dr-kingston-upon-thames-fpa-201505223677219

And if this ad is legit then you could probably afford to have a full high quality respray

http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/detail/motors/classic-cars/porsche/928/107766

I'm dubious though. Obscure website no photos.

JamesJefferson

Hey Mike,
Funny you should mention this. That car's been there for a while. I was looking at it last night wondering whether I should investigate doing just that. I'm not a fan of red - perhaps I should get it chrome wrapped (only joking!).

The lack of interior shots worries me but I'll get in touch with them and find out more.

I

FredR

I think we have pretty much the same understanding regarding the technicalities but where we seem to differ is with our respective understandings of the term "model year".

As I am aware there is no such thing as a 1992 model year GTS but there are two variants for MY 1993, the second variant referred to as 93/2 in the wiring diagrams with the latter being equipped with the R134 a/c system plus whatever other differences there may be. This logic is supported by the wiring diagrams. Unfortunately I do not have the handbook or service manual for my car to refer to but nothing would surprise me and other than understanding exactly what is in the build I own the detail is not of much consequence to me.

As I understand the model year refers the design iteration of the car, not the year it was manufactured in. Thus my example has a VIN just as you advised given it was made in 1992 but is a 93 model year vehicle as are all GTS's given there is no wiring diagram for such a thing as a 94 or 95 model which will be coded for the year in which they were built. Considering Porsche made several developmental changes like the various breather system iterations and the R2 rods, I have always assumed such change is not reflected in model year designation but simply catalogued as to the VIN sequence they were installed.

I would not be at all surprised if some aspects of my understandings are incorrect- i simply use logic as I can see from the info at my disposal.

Rgds

Fred

Vilhuer

Simple question. What is 10th digit in your GTS VIN? If your car has R12 etc I bet it's N meaning '92 MY. ROW cars were done from August 1991 to August 1992 without any tricks to make them look younger by using non normal VIN. There was no need. Very few people know what VIN data means. So they could be sold years later and people think first registration date is their model year. For example there have been many '92 S4 for sale in UK. They are all '91 MY or maybe in some cases '90 MY but only registered in 1992 calendar year. This works other way also. Some people think they have '91 GTS since first cars were registered in late 1991. It makes no difference. 10th digit in VIN tells proper model year which is needed to get correct parts etc.

When you are reading WSM keep in mind it's most likely for US models. Especially if it's in PDF format. Therefore it only talks about '93 MY since that's what US market got in principle. In reality they got cars made during later part of the '92 MY using all normal '92 MY parts, options, colors etc but which had VIN stamped as '93 MY and option M718 included to instruct production line workers they need to do that VIN trick. If you have German, UK or some other version of WSM wiring in it would show 1992 and 1993 but no 93/2.

FredR

Erkka,

My 928 is indeed a "N" series as in 1992 no question about that. I have what I understand to be a full set of original Porsche WSM's [with the reddish cover] like I have seen at the main dealers here. The wiring diagrams refer a 93 GTS and a 93/2 GTS and that is it- nothing to delineate 94 or 95 models that I presume are just the same wiring wise. No idea why t is like this just that it is.

As you say there is no "92 S4" albeit some folks talk of such. I was not aware that the GTS was available in 1991 but I know that was when production of the GTS started in the factory. As I understand Porsche had difficulty off loading the 91 S4's and held back sales of the GTS in an attempt to clear stock.

Regards

Fred

944Cup

http://www.ebay.com/itm/201388600940?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Vilhuer

Your car is '92 MY. You have US model manuals which are not latest version. They are missing '94 MY wiring which is different than '93 as it has dynamic kickdown.

First cars were on customer hands in late 1991. At least in Germany and few other European countries. USA and Canada is different thing. Their '92 MY production started only after January 1st 1992 which meant Porsche could use '93 VIN for those cars. If they had started during 1991 they would have had to use N.

JamesJefferson

Fingers crossed!

siscogts

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C624614

And this one?

FredR

Erkka,

I have often wondered why I could not see any sings of the dynamic kick down on the later models! Many thanks for the excellent insights. I suspect my PO must have ordered a set of manuals from the States but even then it seems strange as each set of wiring diagrams seems to have a different sheet for the lights for US and ROW models so still somewhat puzzled on that on.

Why on earth they would have set of manuals for the States and then put ROW info in them seems illogical to me.

Regards

Fred

the flyin' scotsman

theres a GT for sale in London..........60k pounds

JamesJefferson

Thanks! But that's a bit much for me. If I was buying as a collector maybe. But I want to drive the thing.

mike77

Looks good. Exactly like mine. What's the interior. Mine is black with red piping on the seats.

Wap an x-pipe and an rmb in there

http://www.nixsoft-consulting.co.uk/928spares/index.php?id=products

John Speake does a performance chip. I have it but not installed yet as I'm in the middle of some maintenance. Better still take the car to john for a custom map "sharktune".

Should put it close to gts territory for a fraction of the price. Will sound good to.

Who will you take the car to for service etc? If you are not doing it yourself that is. Brian Miller is the man to go to if you are near Edinburgh

JamesJefferson

Amazingly it is black with red piping - could resist the eighties look!
All good advice there about the mods.
I have a friend in lesmahagow (of all places) that's a superstar mechanic and founder of the ParasRacing BTCC team who's going to do some fixes on it it.

Once they're done, I will look into some of the options you've mentioned there!
Thanks Mike, seeing as we're going to be twins, we should hook up some time, perhaps if there are any events going on, drop me a line.