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Old 08-30-2014 | 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Constantine
Hi Matt,

The previous and current owner of the Daytona 928 is Porsche.

I received pictures of it without an engine in the back of the old Porsche museum. Should still be somewhere in the back of their new museum.

The cuts you think you see are actually lines of the graphics.

I talked to Vic Elford about driving it during that 1984 Daytona race. He said Porsche would not allow any modifications to be done to that 928 and wanted it to look as stock as possible.

Hope this helps,
Yes it does, thanks Constantine. I wonder what became of the motor.
The hood will remain uncut.

I was very lucky to find the only hood I could find in my area, only 30 miles away in NJ and off a model of the same year as mine for only $100.
It is actually the same original color mine came in too..auto with navy/tan insert interior. very complete but very bad. Been sitting a very long time

The yard owner asked what i'd pay, I said $150, very clearly.
He said $50?! No, can't do that! How about $100?
He gave it to me with hinges, safety latch and the rest.
Hasn't a clue of value i guess.

This time I won't attempt to remove the sticker with heat,
i'll carefully tape it off and be sure not to lay paint on too thick in this area. I kept a half gallon of the paint. (4:1:1) which is essentially 3/4 gal.
Love having this sticker back and a chance at a clean uncut hood. It kind of makes up for the added work.
The determination that this was not my fault?? and $4081 to repair it doesn't hurt either.
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On the hood cutting, I guess decide on your mission. If you're going to hop on the track, the engine is going to need all the cool air you can get. If you mostly just do spirited driving on the road, the added cooling won't be needed. I still think the 968 cut out would look nice if done cleanly like the rest of the car, but if you don't need it, then leave it off.

for the fresh air vents, moving them forward making a longer path to the throttle plate usually defeats the purpose of getting clean cool air. What's best is short, straight, cool path to the throttle plate. Making it longer won't give you any benefit unless you decide to mess with the reducution in bends, and bigger volume, and insulation. Lotsa work.
Old 08-31-2014 | 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by docmirror
On the hood cutting, I guess decide on your mission. If you're going to hop on the track, the engine is going to need all the cool air you can get. If you mostly just do spirited driving on the road, the added cooling won't be needed. I still think the 968 cut out would look nice if done cleanly like the rest of the car, but if you don't need it, then leave it off.

for the fresh air vents, moving them forward making a longer path to the throttle plate usually defeats the purpose of getting clean cool air. What's best is short, straight, cool path to the throttle plate. Making it longer won't give you any benefit unless you decide to mess with the reducution in bends, and bigger volume, and insulation. Lotsa work.
Doc lately i want to reverse a few things i've done.

I may go back to that junk yard and grab the cowl panel and
wiper mechanism and put back the standard wipers.

Also i have to decide on whether i still delete the windshield washer
system, because Porsche wouldn't have done that even on a
stripped out RSR. I don't miss them or having 2 wipers, but for
the sake of creating something Porsche accurate i should.

I will still close the hood badge holes and use a vinyl Porsche Crest or
PORSCHE script in that place on the leading edge of the hood.

I may re-install the door glass and guides but with lexan and a manual mechanism for glass position.
Not a crank but rather a simple leather strap and peg design.

I also think i need to find a set of manual 928 seats and have them done in a fabric. Pasha obviously is the 1st choice.

Lastly a standard dash and pod sans the glove box lid though.

Then i'd have something really factory nice.

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Old 08-31-2014 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by The Fixer

Also i have to decide on whether i still delete the windshield washer
system, because Porsche wouldn't have done that even on a
stripped out RSR. I don't miss them or having 2 wipers, but for
the sake of creating something Porsche accurate i should.


I may re-install the door glass and guides but with lexan and a manual mechanism for glass position.
Not a crank but rather a simple leather strap and peg design.
Dont delete the windshield washer system. I had it done on my race/track car and its back on. You dont realize how important sometimes is on the street even if its dry.

I also agree with having full windows. Porsche on the 993 RS and RSCS had installed lightweight glass, i dont know if you can source something similar to customize. I think aesthetically it would finish the car nicely.
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Originally Posted by DJF1
Dont delete the windshield washer system. I had it done on my race/track car and its back on. You dont realize how important sometimes is on the street even if its dry.

I also agree with having full windows. Porsche on the 993 RS and RSCS had installed lightweight glass, i dont know if you can source something similar to customize. I think aesthetically it would finish the car nicely.
Thanks Danny, I agree with you which help make these decisions.

But i already did delete the windshield and headlight washer systems.

Now that the car is indeed light for a V8 Porsche with an interior,
i will put back the windshield washer system, possibly simplified.

I can't source thinner glass but can install thin lexan. I may just use the glass though as how much weight am i really saving.

Anyway, It is real nice going back over a car build and doing things
even better. I am tempted to blow it all apart.


Hood is good, no filler. These hoods are so nice and light..

I'll sneak over to the yard this week and get the cowl cover and wiper mech..

Not sure why i uploaded the V16 Auto Union.
Old 08-31-2014 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DJF1
Dont delete the windshield washer system. I had it done on my race/track car and its back on. You dont realize how important sometimes is on the street even if its dry.

I also agree with having full windows. Porsche on the 993 RS and RSCS had installed lightweight glass, i dont know if you can source something similar to customize. I think aesthetically it would finish the car nicely.
Thanks Danny, I agree with you which help make these decisions.

But i already did delete the windshield and headlight washer systems.

Now that the car is indeed light for a V8 Porsche with an interior,
i will put back the windshield washer system, possibly simplified.

I can't source thinner glass but can install thin lexan. I may just use the glass though as how much weight am i really saving.

Anyway, It is real nice going back over a car build and doing things
even better. I am tempted to blow it all apart.


Hood is good, no filler. These hoods are so nice and light..

I'll sneak over to the yard this week and get the cowl cover and wiper mech..

Look at the guy driving the Auto Union V16.

Check out the VW like torsion suspension with rear spring plate.
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I think your build is inspiring, thanks for the show, but I'm also glad you're bringing it a bit back to normal. I really like the duck tail spoiler and the attempts to make it clean/minimal build without being completely stripped like a track car (although I really like the Cola car, too).
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$4100 is a nice cash infusion into the project, should go a long way.
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Originally Posted by The Fixer
Thanks Danny, I agree with you which help make these decisions.

But i already did delete the windshield and headlight washer systems.

Now that the car is indeed light for a V8 Porsche with an interior,
i will put back the windshield washer system, possibly simplified.

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The 993RS used a lightweight washer bottle and system. Check it out at www.carnewal.com

http://www.carnewal.com/products/P93...r-Retrofit-Kit

I use that system now on my 993, maybe you can squeeze this, make it fit?
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Originally Posted by Snowglobe
I think your build is inspiring, thanks for the show, but I'm also glad you're bringing it a bit back to normal. I really like the duck tail spoiler and the attempts to make it clean/minimal build without being completely stripped like a track car (although I really like the Cola car, too).
Thanks, I appreciate that and i am looking forward to toning it down a bit.
I like that Coke car too. I'd like to repair it.

Originally Posted by Imo000
$4100 is a nice cash infusion into the project, should go a long way.
That's one way to look at it. I was very surprised at that figure.

Originally Posted by DJF1
The 993RS used a lightweight washer bottle and system. Check it out at www.carnewal.com

http://www.carnewal.com/products/P93...r-Retrofit-Kit

I use that system now on my 993, maybe you can squeeze this, make it fit?
I will definitely look into this as i am putting the wiper washing system back in place.

thanks for the time saver Danny,

I never noticed but the MM semi works cars had only one wiper fitted.

I was looking at the one wiper today and kind of want to keep it.

If i cut/weld and extend the pivot arm i can make it lay flat.

I wonder if the MM cars have only one squirter?

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If you want a light and inexpensive washer tank, just source an 87-91 intensive washer tank (part #928 528 091 00) , figure out how to mount it under the cowl (plenty of space given your single wiper transmission), and pull the 'normal' washer tank pump harness back up into the cowl so it is controlled by the normal washer activation on the stalk.

$10, BIN:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1988-Porsche...405daa&vxp=mtr


There is a bracket that mounts the intensive tank on an S4 wiper transmission, it's 928 628 230 00, not sure whether there's a provision on the earlier wiper trannies for it:




Intensive washer tank with 'regular' washer harness extended to it:



Bracket from back of hood:

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Perfect solution Rob, I will do this. Thank you!

Weighed the broken drilled hinges against the yard pieces.

That was a lot of effort for 3.5 ounces. Not bothering again..i think.

Hood is beautiful, i don't want to cut such a nice aluminum hood. but haven't decided yet.

I was thinking it may be more functional for track to paint the hood partly satin black but haven't decided on that either.

If you've tuned in be honest, are the hood vents ugly or OK looking?
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If you've tuned in be honest, are the hood vents ugly or OK looking?
From a pure aesthetics standpoint, if I were going to do hood vents, I would get them louvered with radiuses like those on the top of a 911/964/993 Turbo whale tail. There are aftermarket fiberglass pieces, just the grille inserts, that might be incorporable:

http://www.aerowerke.com/model.asp?l...%20/%20Spoiler

That said, to me the question of hood vents is not not so much a question of looks, but a question of A) Porsche DNA and B) function. AFAIK there were no significant 928 racers with hood vents. In the modern era there were never any holes in Anderson's race car hood, and AFAIK he never found himself having to back off due to elevated air intake temps. There are no holes in Louie Ott's monster either. So if you can pull 500-600 hp on the dyno without hood vents, and race the hell out of it on a stock radiator without overheating, what is there to be gained functionally?


RE: the satin black hood, that lumps you in with every Integra driven by spiky haired kids with blue-tinted shades. Don't go there. Leave it be and risk collecting some battle scars from actually using it on track.
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I agree.
Leaving it stock, painting it body color and going to the track.
Thanks Rob.
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Satin black isn't really necessary, although i haven't driven the car recently i seem to remember not seeing much of the bonnet.. I really like vents but id go for something bigger and behind the radiator.



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