928 RS Concept Sketch
09-04-2014, 06:26 AM
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I guess for me the question of hood vents on your car would come down to a question appropriateness, which I'm guessing is my version of the question you are asking. I'm not familiar with enough with the specifics of "Porsche DNA" to have a good handle on what I think a 928 RS would be as a car.
From a functional standpoint, hood vents are typically used for two basic purposes. For this discussion, I'm specifically ignoring fender venting .. that would merit its own discussion.
The first common use of hood venting is to reduce the build-up of air pressure in the under-hood area. This can reduce front-end lift and does allow the radiator, oil coolers (assuming a typical installation) and even AC condenser to function more efficiently. One thing worth remembering is that a radiator requires a pressure differential to facilitate airflow though it to create the cooling effect. Venting the hood can be used to increase the pressure differential between the area in front of the radiator and the area behind it, and as a result increase the radiator's cooling effectiveness. While reduction in lift is usually a much smaller effect, it has been developed as a specific benefit in some cars. On the 928, I'm not aware of any data hard that would support or oppose either of these uses.
The second common use of hood venting is typically to improve air-flow into the under-hood area, typically for an increased cool-air supply to the engine. Most frequently this air is being fed into the engine, but occasionally, it is used for other purposes like cooling an intercooler and/or oil coolers. A secondary effect of this type of use can be increased air-pressures under the hood unless the system is designed with additional venting to decrease under-hood pressures or the system is sealed to the engine's intake system. Increasing the air pressure under the hood and behind the radiator, oil coolers and AC condenser will lower the effectiveness of these components unless other steps are taken to compensate for the change. Again, I'm not aware of any hard data supporting or opposing changes of this type with the 928.
Most cars can benefit from a dedicated, sealed cold air intake system. That said, the system's design must match the car's expected use. If on a street car, rain, dust, leaves, and possibly even snow, etc. will need to be considered as possible contaminants and debris that could enter the system. Also increased airflow will require a matching increase fuel delivery to prevent lean conditions based on vehicle speed. It is also worth noting that if the increase in airflow if effective enough, the factory ECU code may need to be modified. If the OE ECU can be chipped or flashed then that may be an option. If not, or alternately, an aftermarket ECU could be installed to meet this need. Again, I'm not familiar enough with the 928 to know what the best tuning solution would be.
If the DNA you are looking for is essentially weight reduction and optimization of the stock systems, then I would think venting the hood for increased cooling might be appropriate, if it could be done discretely and tastefully. I would also consider the hood venting optional if the car could meet all of the other DNA requirements without it. If the DNA you are looking for is significantly more focused on raw performance improvements and/or race car DNA focused, then one or both types hood venting might be worth considering, along with supporting ECU changes if needed. Of course developing the car to that level will require more time and expense in components, fabrication and testing.
From a functional standpoint, hood vents are typically used for two basic purposes. For this discussion, I'm specifically ignoring fender venting .. that would merit its own discussion.
The first common use of hood venting is to reduce the build-up of air pressure in the under-hood area. This can reduce front-end lift and does allow the radiator, oil coolers (assuming a typical installation) and even AC condenser to function more efficiently. One thing worth remembering is that a radiator requires a pressure differential to facilitate airflow though it to create the cooling effect. Venting the hood can be used to increase the pressure differential between the area in front of the radiator and the area behind it, and as a result increase the radiator's cooling effectiveness. While reduction in lift is usually a much smaller effect, it has been developed as a specific benefit in some cars. On the 928, I'm not aware of any data hard that would support or oppose either of these uses.
The second common use of hood venting is typically to improve air-flow into the under-hood area, typically for an increased cool-air supply to the engine. Most frequently this air is being fed into the engine, but occasionally, it is used for other purposes like cooling an intercooler and/or oil coolers. A secondary effect of this type of use can be increased air-pressures under the hood unless the system is designed with additional venting to decrease under-hood pressures or the system is sealed to the engine's intake system. Increasing the air pressure under the hood and behind the radiator, oil coolers and AC condenser will lower the effectiveness of these components unless other steps are taken to compensate for the change. Again, I'm not aware of any hard data supporting or opposing changes of this type with the 928.
Most cars can benefit from a dedicated, sealed cold air intake system. That said, the system's design must match the car's expected use. If on a street car, rain, dust, leaves, and possibly even snow, etc. will need to be considered as possible contaminants and debris that could enter the system. Also increased airflow will require a matching increase fuel delivery to prevent lean conditions based on vehicle speed. It is also worth noting that if the increase in airflow if effective enough, the factory ECU code may need to be modified. If the OE ECU can be chipped or flashed then that may be an option. If not, or alternately, an aftermarket ECU could be installed to meet this need. Again, I'm not familiar enough with the 928 to know what the best tuning solution would be.
If the DNA you are looking for is essentially weight reduction and optimization of the stock systems, then I would think venting the hood for increased cooling might be appropriate, if it could be done discretely and tastefully. I would also consider the hood venting optional if the car could meet all of the other DNA requirements without it. If the DNA you are looking for is significantly more focused on raw performance improvements and/or race car DNA focused, then one or both types hood venting might be worth considering, along with supporting ECU changes if needed. Of course developing the car to that level will require more time and expense in components, fabrication and testing.
09-04-2014, 08:04 AM
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I guess for me the question of hood vents on your car would come down to a question appropriateness, which I'm guessing is my version of the question you are asking. I'm not familiar with enough with the specifics of "Porsche DNA" to have a good handle on what I think a 928 RS would be as a car.
From a functional standpoint, hood vents are typically used for two basic purposes. For this discussion, I'm specifically ignoring fender venting .. that would merit its own discussion.
The first common use of hood venting is to reduce the build-up of air pressure in the under-hood area. This can reduce front-end lift and does allow the radiator, oil coolers (assuming a typical installation) and even AC condenser to function more efficiently. One thing worth remembering is that a radiator requires a pressure differential to facilitate airflow though it to create the cooling effect. Venting the hood can be used to increase the pressure differential between the area in front of the radiator and the area behind it, and as a result increase the radiator's cooling effectiveness. While reduction in lift is usually a much smaller effect, it has been developed as a specific benefit in some cars. On the 928, I'm not aware of any data hard that would support or oppose either of these uses.
The second common use of hood venting is typically to improve air-flow into the under-hood area, typically for an increased cool-air supply to the engine. Most frequently this air is being fed into the engine, but occasionally, it is used for other purposes like cooling an intercooler and/or oil coolers. A secondary effect of this type of use can be increased air-pressures under the hood unless the system is designed with additional venting to decrease under-hood pressures or the system is sealed to the engine's intake system. Increasing the air pressure under the hood and behind the radiator, oil coolers and AC condenser will lower the effectiveness of these components unless other steps are taken to compensate for the change. Again, I'm not aware of any hard data supporting or opposing changes of this type with the 928.
Most cars can benefit from a dedicated, sealed cold air intake system. That said, the system's design must match the car's expected use. If on a street car, rain, dust, leaves, and possibly even snow, etc. will need to be considered as possible contaminants and debris that could enter the system. Also increased airflow will require a matching increase fuel delivery to prevent lean conditions based on vehicle speed. It is also worth noting that if the increase in airflow if effective enough, the factory ECU code may need to be modified. If the OE ECU can be chipped or flashed then that may be an option. If not, or alternately, an aftermarket ECU could be installed to meet this need. Again, I'm not familiar enough with the 928 to know what the best tuning solution would be.
If the DNA you are looking for is essentially weight reduction and optimization of the stock systems, then I would think venting the hood for increased cooling might be appropriate, if it could be done discretely and tastefully. I would also consider the hood venting optional if the car could meet all of the other DNA requirements without it. If the DNA you are looking for is significantly more focused on raw performance improvements and/or race car DNA focused, then one or both types hood venting might be worth considering, along with supporting ECU changes if needed. Of course developing the car to that level will require more time and expense in components, fabrication and testing.
From a functional standpoint, hood vents are typically used for two basic purposes. For this discussion, I'm specifically ignoring fender venting .. that would merit its own discussion.
The first common use of hood venting is to reduce the build-up of air pressure in the under-hood area. This can reduce front-end lift and does allow the radiator, oil coolers (assuming a typical installation) and even AC condenser to function more efficiently. One thing worth remembering is that a radiator requires a pressure differential to facilitate airflow though it to create the cooling effect. Venting the hood can be used to increase the pressure differential between the area in front of the radiator and the area behind it, and as a result increase the radiator's cooling effectiveness. While reduction in lift is usually a much smaller effect, it has been developed as a specific benefit in some cars. On the 928, I'm not aware of any data hard that would support or oppose either of these uses.
The second common use of hood venting is typically to improve air-flow into the under-hood area, typically for an increased cool-air supply to the engine. Most frequently this air is being fed into the engine, but occasionally, it is used for other purposes like cooling an intercooler and/or oil coolers. A secondary effect of this type of use can be increased air-pressures under the hood unless the system is designed with additional venting to decrease under-hood pressures or the system is sealed to the engine's intake system. Increasing the air pressure under the hood and behind the radiator, oil coolers and AC condenser will lower the effectiveness of these components unless other steps are taken to compensate for the change. Again, I'm not aware of any hard data supporting or opposing changes of this type with the 928.
Most cars can benefit from a dedicated, sealed cold air intake system. That said, the system's design must match the car's expected use. If on a street car, rain, dust, leaves, and possibly even snow, etc. will need to be considered as possible contaminants and debris that could enter the system. Also increased airflow will require a matching increase fuel delivery to prevent lean conditions based on vehicle speed. It is also worth noting that if the increase in airflow if effective enough, the factory ECU code may need to be modified. If the OE ECU can be chipped or flashed then that may be an option. If not, or alternately, an aftermarket ECU could be installed to meet this need. Again, I'm not familiar enough with the 928 to know what the best tuning solution would be.
If the DNA you are looking for is essentially weight reduction and optimization of the stock systems, then I would think venting the hood for increased cooling might be appropriate, if it could be done discretely and tastefully. I would also consider the hood venting optional if the car could meet all of the other DNA requirements without it. If the DNA you are looking for is significantly more focused on raw performance improvements and/or race car DNA focused, then one or both types hood venting might be worth considering, along with supporting ECU changes if needed. Of course developing the car to that level will require more time and expense in components, fabrication and testing.
Now you two have me thinking venting again. Thanks for the input doc and eroishi.
I do plan to track the car (not ***** to walls though and not exclusively).
If i were to vent for radiator cooling it would be placed more forward this time as you mention doc.
In terms of Porsche DNA, if we were to look at many of Porsche racing cars going all the way back to the beginning with the Abarth 356s or 550s, there have been many attempts at improving cooling. And in the 60s more.
Some (a few) early 550s actually ran oil through the aluminum hood itself in an attempt to use the wind flowing over it to cool the oil. That didn't work so well.
So without the proper equipment to test as in the old days, it's probably just guesswork..that doesn't compute for me at this time.
I don't think Porsche would have vented the 928 hood if a road going RS was built. It would have still been a road car at that would pose too many areas to introduce user error for Porsche imo.
Leaving it clean for now..
09-04-2014, 11:53 AM
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Are you actually worried about engine cooling? If you are, then I think you should punch your holes where ever they'll be the most effective. (Make them look nice, of course!)
I know you're trying to keep Porsche DNA in mind, but the problem is that you're trying to guess what Porsche would have done based on almost no information. Porsche never seriously raced a front-engined car. If Porsche was trying to win races with a development of the 928, I'm sure they would have made holes any damn place they thought would work.
I know you're trying to keep Porsche DNA in mind, but the problem is that you're trying to guess what Porsche would have done based on almost no information. Porsche never seriously raced a front-engined car. If Porsche was trying to win races with a development of the 928, I'm sure they would have made holes any damn place they thought would work.
09-06-2014, 02:57 AM
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I hear you Sean, and sorry you can't make Frenzy this year.. and thanks for serving my friend.
It fits well (pic 2 is before adjustment) although installing the hood alone at 1 am is pretty nerve racking.
I only have maybe 3 hours into this, not bad.
I plan to only weld the hood badge holes, so i will only very lightly mod this one.
I like the sporting look of the vinyl hood badge on a Porka. Speaks volumes.
Kills me not seeing drilled hood hinges but oh well maybe next accident.
It fits well (pic 2 is before adjustment) although installing the hood alone at 1 am is pretty nerve racking.
I only have maybe 3 hours into this, not bad.
I plan to only weld the hood badge holes, so i will only very lightly mod this one.
I like the sporting look of the vinyl hood badge on a Porka. Speaks volumes.
Kills me not seeing drilled hood hinges but oh well maybe next accident.
09-06-2014, 05:01 AM
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Just looked through the whole thread. Impressive.
The prototype of the “Singer” 911 has the same exterior color and same wheel color. Will you also redo the interior in red/orange like the “Singer 911”?
I feel 19” Fuchs would the perfect wheels for your car.
The prototype of the “Singer” 911 has the same exterior color and same wheel color. Will you also redo the interior in red/orange like the “Singer 911”?
I feel 19” Fuchs would the perfect wheels for your car.
09-06-2014, 10:47 AM
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The whole car was an experiment for me. But currently i do have plans on re doing the entire car. I even want to repaint it a slightly deeper blue so YES the interior will be redone.
I probably should start with an 86.5 a do a new one and keep the RS as-is though. I like the car very much.
I wasn't convinced when i started though that the 928 could be made light enough for me with an interior. It has a very nice feel, sporty and a little edgy but not so raw that it isn't enjoyable.
I would say it feels as much track car as road car..like a 964 RS. Specs are very similar too but I've got more torque on tap.
But i do plan to go over everything and the car will be much more than it is currently. Even the carpet i installed is a prototype as there is no kit available to fit my RS correctly
due to the absence of foam and other interior pieces.
Now that it is in there, it is a carpet template for someone (R.B.) to make it much better. I simply need to remove it an ship it to them with pics and notes as to what i want.
I want manual 928 seats but redone in cloth. And i don't think "Fuchs" are the right wheel. Cup wheels, D90s or what i've got. Maybe Jim D's wheels.
Even doing the hood over again there were improvements to the precision in which the pins fit through the hood. Learning curve and all.
But i purposely don't look at Singer cars for inspiration, i look to factory lightweight examples only, as they do it for me much more than those cars.
09-07-2014, 03:33 AM
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“purposely don't look at Singer cars for inspiration,”
Why not? I see nothing wrong doing so. You are not slavish copying what they have done. They themselves were obviously inspired for the exterior color scheme for their prototype by the gulf racing cars. I find what you have done and what Singer has done quite inspiring what eventually I would like to do to my 928.
I think Singer made a very good choice with pale blue for the exterior and an orange/brown for the interior for their prototype; makes the car more friendly, inviting, and interesting. Exterior black and interior black makes a car optically “heavy” and “dark”, I feel this being especially true for the 928. (My 928 is black/black.) I am contemplating using a red/orange for the interior and wheel that is the complementary color on the color wheel to the exterior blue.
“I probably should start with an 86.5”
Can see the advantage of that. The effort involved would be more or less the same but you would start off with 300 HP plus on a more modern, revised 928 model. 928GTS type rear fender flares certainly would go well with the RS theme.
“don't think "Fuchs" are the right wheel. Cup wheels, D90s or what i've got. Maybe Jim D's wheels.”
These wheels make the car look dated. Fuchs are “the” Porsche wheels and perhaps the most timeless wheels currently in existence. (I have Carrera Classic 19" on my 928 and 19” Fuchs on my 944.)
Those choices of course depends on what the emphasis of the built is: looks (time period correct or new interpretation) or performance and that in view of available resources of time, money, and patience.
Are you planning to do anything new regarding instrumentation, 964 RS type of instruments (round, individual, and separate gauges), something else, or will you keep using the stock instrument cluster? (I am contemplating following Mark Robinson with his Ferrari F599 Gauges-inspired 928 race car cluster.)
MN
Why not? I see nothing wrong doing so. You are not slavish copying what they have done. They themselves were obviously inspired for the exterior color scheme for their prototype by the gulf racing cars. I find what you have done and what Singer has done quite inspiring what eventually I would like to do to my 928.
I think Singer made a very good choice with pale blue for the exterior and an orange/brown for the interior for their prototype; makes the car more friendly, inviting, and interesting. Exterior black and interior black makes a car optically “heavy” and “dark”, I feel this being especially true for the 928. (My 928 is black/black.) I am contemplating using a red/orange for the interior and wheel that is the complementary color on the color wheel to the exterior blue.
“I probably should start with an 86.5”
Can see the advantage of that. The effort involved would be more or less the same but you would start off with 300 HP plus on a more modern, revised 928 model. 928GTS type rear fender flares certainly would go well with the RS theme.
“don't think "Fuchs" are the right wheel. Cup wheels, D90s or what i've got. Maybe Jim D's wheels.”
These wheels make the car look dated. Fuchs are “the” Porsche wheels and perhaps the most timeless wheels currently in existence. (I have Carrera Classic 19" on my 928 and 19” Fuchs on my 944.)
Those choices of course depends on what the emphasis of the built is: looks (time period correct or new interpretation) or performance and that in view of available resources of time, money, and patience.
Are you planning to do anything new regarding instrumentation, 964 RS type of instruments (round, individual, and separate gauges), something else, or will you keep using the stock instrument cluster? (I am contemplating following Mark Robinson with his Ferrari F599 Gauges-inspired 928 race car cluster.)
MN
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09-07-2014, 10:51 AM
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“purposely don't look at Singer cars for inspiration,”
Why not? I see nothing wrong doing so. You are not slavish copying what they have done. They themselves were obviously inspired for the exterior color scheme for their prototype by the gulf racing cars. I find what you have done and what Singer has done quite inspiring what eventually I would like to do to my 928.
I think Singer made a very good choice with pale blue for the exterior and an orange/brown for the interior for their prototype; makes the car more friendly, inviting, and interesting. Exterior black and interior black makes a car optically “heavy” and “dark”, I feel this being especially true for the 928. (My 928 is black/black.) I am contemplating using a red/orange for the interior and wheel that is the complementary color on the color wheel to the exterior blue.
“I probably should start with an 86.5”
Can see the advantage of that. The effort involved would be more or less the same but you would start off with 300 HP plus on a more modern, revised 928 model. 928GTS type rear fender flares certainly would go well with the RS theme.
“don't think "Fuchs" are the right wheel. Cup wheels, D90s or what i've got. Maybe Jim D's wheels.”
These wheels make the car look dated. Fuchs are “the” Porsche wheels and perhaps the most timeless wheels currently in existence. (I have Carrera Classic 19" on my 928 and 19” Fuchs on my 944.)
Those choices of course depends on what the emphasis of the built is: looks (time period correct or new interpretation) or performance and that in view of available resources of time, money, and patience.
Are you planning to do anything new regarding instrumentation, 964 RS type of instruments (round, individual, and separate gauges), something else, or will you keep using the stock instrument cluster? (I am contemplating following Mark Robinson with his Ferrari F599 Gauges-inspired 928 race car cluster.)
MN
Why not? I see nothing wrong doing so. You are not slavish copying what they have done. They themselves were obviously inspired for the exterior color scheme for their prototype by the gulf racing cars. I find what you have done and what Singer has done quite inspiring what eventually I would like to do to my 928.
I think Singer made a very good choice with pale blue for the exterior and an orange/brown for the interior for their prototype; makes the car more friendly, inviting, and interesting. Exterior black and interior black makes a car optically “heavy” and “dark”, I feel this being especially true for the 928. (My 928 is black/black.) I am contemplating using a red/orange for the interior and wheel that is the complementary color on the color wheel to the exterior blue.
“I probably should start with an 86.5”
Can see the advantage of that. The effort involved would be more or less the same but you would start off with 300 HP plus on a more modern, revised 928 model. 928GTS type rear fender flares certainly would go well with the RS theme.
“don't think "Fuchs" are the right wheel. Cup wheels, D90s or what i've got. Maybe Jim D's wheels.”
These wheels make the car look dated. Fuchs are “the” Porsche wheels and perhaps the most timeless wheels currently in existence. (I have Carrera Classic 19" on my 928 and 19” Fuchs on my 944.)
Those choices of course depends on what the emphasis of the built is: looks (time period correct or new interpretation) or performance and that in view of available resources of time, money, and patience.
Are you planning to do anything new regarding instrumentation, 964 RS type of instruments (round, individual, and separate gauges), something else, or will you keep using the stock instrument cluster? (I am contemplating following Mark Robinson with his Ferrari F599 Gauges-inspired 928 race car cluster.)
MN
As i mentioned this was just for kicks but since you ask i do have plans to install an integrated street/race dash as i have done with other cars. I would not however if a few of my gauges were more reliable.
Now i simply have back up VDOs in a less than optimal position.
Now i am making a fitted pouch for one set of my lexan side windows for the trip to Frenzy. A great rennlister is making me some graphics too.
Again this was all just for kicks (and to learn about this model) right now.
It's very hard to do this as i have.
I would prefer to do it right and farm parts of a build out to people like Greg Brown/ Rob Budd, buy those flares, that suspension, custom efi or a SC from Carl,
some $4k wheels etc.. but with a customer's money or the intent to sell the car. This car was just for my enjoyment, not meant to be a show winner.
So my focus with this was Cheap Fun and Learning.
But to build a 'Singer' car, it only comes down to how much cash are you willing to part with.
If anyone wanted their 928 vision brought to life
I'd be happy to help them make that happen with the help from some elders / talent found on this forum.
That would be the fun way to make a Singer 928 happen. And it would be fantastic.
It would only take commitment and money.
I'll be visiting my big-shot Attorney Uncle (John Mariani) this Winter in Palm Springs,
If you want your 928 done we could meet and discuss your ideas over a beer if you wish. -Matt
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09-07-2014, 03:21 PM
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“But to build a 'Singer' car, it only comes down to how much cash are you willing to part with.”
I am in no delusion about the efforts and costs involved.
I'll be visiting my big-shot Attorney Uncle ... this Winter in Palm Springs,*If you want your 928 done we could meet and discuss your ideas over a beer if you wish.”
Yes, that would be great. Unfortunately, I am in Palm Beach (Florida) and not Palm Springs (California) and my 928 is currently still in Germany waiting for its 25th birthday (2017) before crossing the Atlantic.
MN
I am in no delusion about the efforts and costs involved.
I'll be visiting my big-shot Attorney Uncle ... this Winter in Palm Springs,*If you want your 928 done we could meet and discuss your ideas over a beer if you wish.”
Yes, that would be great. Unfortunately, I am in Palm Beach (Florida) and not Palm Springs (California) and my 928 is currently still in Germany waiting for its 25th birthday (2017) before crossing the Atlantic.
MN
09-07-2014, 05:28 PM
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MN,
John lives in Palm Beach FL, sorry I always confuse the two.
I had a lot of fun today, we stopped at a car show early and the organizers asked if I'd like to park with the rest of them.
It figures i had no hood though, people didn't seem to mind.
It was well received.
Take care MN,
Matt
John lives in Palm Beach FL, sorry I always confuse the two.
I had a lot of fun today, we stopped at a car show early and the organizers asked if I'd like to park with the rest of them.
It figures i had no hood though, people didn't seem to mind.
It was well received.
Take care MN,
Matt
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09-08-2014, 06:13 AM
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Matt,
Let’s stay in touch and let me know when you are in Palm Beach. Maybe some other 928 fans want also to see your creation.
If I could ask you (or anyone else on rennlist), my left/right rear quarter panel is scratched and somewhat wrapped. I did not see any offered at eBay. I know that Rob Budd sells a fiberglass replacement (http://goo.gl/7XvpSZ). I also want to remove the (disconnected) speakers in the rear quarter panel.
Since my car has a custom-made, fixed moonroof, I don’t have factory leather roof upholstery anymore. So I am open-minded regarding removing any foam and leather parts and to cover it just with a carpet. However, I want to retain the rear seats at least for the time being (as long as my children fit into these seats).
Matt, how did you handle the rear quarter area in your car?
Any suggestions (from anyone)?
Thanks.
MM
Let’s stay in touch and let me know when you are in Palm Beach. Maybe some other 928 fans want also to see your creation.
If I could ask you (or anyone else on rennlist), my left/right rear quarter panel is scratched and somewhat wrapped. I did not see any offered at eBay. I know that Rob Budd sells a fiberglass replacement (http://goo.gl/7XvpSZ). I also want to remove the (disconnected) speakers in the rear quarter panel.
Since my car has a custom-made, fixed moonroof, I don’t have factory leather roof upholstery anymore. So I am open-minded regarding removing any foam and leather parts and to cover it just with a carpet. However, I want to retain the rear seats at least for the time being (as long as my children fit into these seats).
Matt, how did you handle the rear quarter area in your car?
Any suggestions (from anyone)?
Thanks.
MM
09-08-2014, 07:58 AM
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Matt,
Let’s stay in touch and let me know when you are in Palm Beach. Maybe some other 928 fans want also to see your creation.
If I could ask you (or anyone else on rennlist), my left/right rear quarter panel is scratched and somewhat wrapped. I did not see any offered at eBay. I know that Rob Budd sells a fiberglass replacement (http://goo.gl/7XvpSZ). I also want to remove the (disconnected) speakers in the rear quarter panel.
Since my car has a custom-made, fixed moonroof, I don’t have factory leather roof upholstery anymore. So I am open-minded regarding removing any foam and leather parts and to cover it just with a carpet. However, I want to retain the rear seats at least for the time being (as long as my children fit into these seats).
Matt, how did you handle the rear quarter area in your car?
Any suggestions (from anyone)?
Thanks.
MM
Let’s stay in touch and let me know when you are in Palm Beach. Maybe some other 928 fans want also to see your creation.
If I could ask you (or anyone else on rennlist), my left/right rear quarter panel is scratched and somewhat wrapped. I did not see any offered at eBay. I know that Rob Budd sells a fiberglass replacement (http://goo.gl/7XvpSZ). I also want to remove the (disconnected) speakers in the rear quarter panel.
Since my car has a custom-made, fixed moonroof, I don’t have factory leather roof upholstery anymore. So I am open-minded regarding removing any foam and leather parts and to cover it just with a carpet. However, I want to retain the rear seats at least for the time being (as long as my children fit into these seats).
Matt, how did you handle the rear quarter area in your car?
Any suggestions (from anyone)?
Thanks.
MM
Then i cleaned and vinyl conditioned them very well before installation.
If yours have damaged vinyl or leather a local upholsterer or Rob should be able to help you recover them with a matching material.
If we end up making a GTS-RS out of your '92 GTS?, I'd suggest closing up that added moon roof with a new roof panel.
Unless you're 6'-7"
Matt
09-09-2014, 09:31 AM
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Matt,
“I'd suggest closing up that added moon roof with a new roof panel.Unless you're 6'-7””
Not quite but close. I replaced the sliding sunroof with a fixed moonroof because I needed the additional headroom. Actually works very well and it is nice to have a bit more light in the car.
“a local upholsterer ... should be able to help you recover them with a matching material.”
That’s what is being done right now. We will also remove the factory speakers and probably will close the holes with leather plugs. (I would have preferred not to use leather plugs but everything else seems to get very quickly very involved.) How did you close your holes after removal of the speakers?
MN
“I'd suggest closing up that added moon roof with a new roof panel.Unless you're 6'-7””
Not quite but close. I replaced the sliding sunroof with a fixed moonroof because I needed the additional headroom. Actually works very well and it is nice to have a bit more light in the car.
“a local upholsterer ... should be able to help you recover them with a matching material.”
That’s what is being done right now. We will also remove the factory speakers and probably will close the holes with leather plugs. (I would have preferred not to use leather plugs but everything else seems to get very quickly very involved.) How did you close your holes after removal of the speakers?
MN
09-09-2014, 10:01 AM
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