My 928 was vandalized in SoCal...need advice on auto body repair
03-13-2013, 03:12 PM
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My wife is only jealous of my 928's because they do not talk to her. She thinks they are conspiring against her, I know this is not true but try and convince her of this.
My 944S has been made at me for many years, cannot say I blame her sine she's been without a motor for a decade. Lorelei (wife) has chats with her now and then assuring her time will come and she will be back on the road.
Then you have my Denali that sill has an attitude problem, must be from being the only non European can in the garage.
Neither of us understand the SAAB, both of us are fans of the Swedish Chef on the Muppet's so it's rather entertaining on long trips.
What was that about reality?
My 944S has been made at me for many years, cannot say I blame her sine she's been without a motor for a decade. Lorelei (wife) has chats with her now and then assuring her time will come and she will be back on the road.
Then you have my Denali that sill has an attitude problem, must be from being the only non European can in the garage.
Neither of us understand the SAAB, both of us are fans of the Swedish Chef on the Muppet's so it's rather entertaining on long trips.
What was that about reality?
03-13-2013, 04:36 PM
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It happens to a lot of us, and you have to do what you have to do.
PM is NOT a good way to sell your car. I may have no interest for myself, but if I know price and title status I might be able to pass it on to somebody that would want it, same true for the rest of the people here. Keeping PM just makes the pool of potential buyers MUCH smaller.
PM is NOT a good way to sell your car. I may have no interest for myself, but if I know price and title status I might be able to pass it on to somebody that would want it, same true for the rest of the people here. Keeping PM just makes the pool of potential buyers MUCH smaller.
03-13-2013, 08:48 PM
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Thanks for all of your responses.
Yeah, that's a fair confusion. Here is how I see it: ECC is still above GEICO, but GEICO wont budge on their offer from here on out unless the car is in process of being put back together. So at this point it's do I sink the GEICO check and 3 weeks time back into the car (rental car costs, bugging friends, etc) with the idea that I will continue sinking time/money into the car in the future (labor, repairs, time) that I'm not sure I can afford anymore. Or do I cut my labor-of-love losses and sell the car, all the parts I have, take the check and move on.
Thank you for your libertarian pep-talk haha I'm not done with GEICO, I'm just done with the car. I'm not going to be whole. And btw, I'm not selling the car for a grand.
Thanks dangler. I very much understand PM isn't the best way to sell the car. I'm keeping it low key because I don't have all that much time to devote to selling the car. Also, as a later post mentions, I don't want to take it outside of this thread yet, and I want all the guys at ECC to have first dibs on it. I don't mean this the wrong way, but a quick PM would have been quicker than that post. Also: I understand I probably can't openly sell on this forum, and you guys have helped me out greatly with advice in this thread and I don't want to push my luck just yet, if at all.
This I agree with. I've only heard of people getting squared up when they're the victim and someone else is clearly liable. Comprehensive claims are tough, and for those of you who are mistaken that I'm laying up, there are some things I about the case I've been advised not to mention in public.
Greg, I only mentioned grad school because of my lack of ability to devote time and loss of a vehicle towards the cause of repairing my 928. I'm not trying to downplay anyone. Pretty sure you skipped the part where I mentioned your world class knowledge and help you've given everyone in the Porsche world.
Again, Greg...read my above response to jcorenman and jej3 about the money and the car. I think responding with 5k is no more unreasonable than them offering 2k for it. I am clearly open to negotiation. Initially asking high isn't a sin, and I'm sure you at one point in your day have asked high on something you valued.
As for wasting your time: I can understand that you feel a little teased, but when I initially posted after the incident, I had no idea the repair would cost $6000. One of the first responses was that it would be over $7k which blew me away. I've done as much research as I can since then and I've absorbed as much information about this as I could. I've taken the information that has been presented to me on this forum graciously and learned from everyone's posts. Isn't that what these forums are for?
You're right, although a ton is relative. I said that relative to the salvage that GEICO would charge me if it were totaled.
Lighten up, that wasn't a flame-- just an expression of disappointment.
Just a clarification, if you don't mind: I understand that you don't want to dump money into the car. And it wasn't a mishap that you contributed anything to, so it is not reasonable that you should have to-- that's what we pay insurance companies for.
In post #75 you said that Geico came up with another couple of thousand. Did EEC negotiate that in order to get to a figure that they could fix the car for? Or was what a settlement offer to you, and still short of what ECC needed to fix the car?
My confusion is why, if ECC and Geico could agree on a price, you would still need to put more money in. And if they couldn't agree, then that's a concern as well. We would all like to think that if our car got hit by an asteroid-- or a cinder block-- from outer space then we would be made whole without a lot of drama.
Thanks.
Just a clarification, if you don't mind: I understand that you don't want to dump money into the car. And it wasn't a mishap that you contributed anything to, so it is not reasonable that you should have to-- that's what we pay insurance companies for.
In post #75 you said that Geico came up with another couple of thousand. Did EEC negotiate that in order to get to a figure that they could fix the car for? Or was what a settlement offer to you, and still short of what ECC needed to fix the car?
My confusion is why, if ECC and Geico could agree on a price, you would still need to put more money in. And if they couldn't agree, then that's a concern as well. We would all like to think that if our car got hit by an asteroid-- or a cinder block-- from outer space then we would be made whole without a lot of drama.
Thanks.
+1 on the above
I guess my ultimate confusion is around the items Mr. Corenman mentions and how you think your proposal to sell your car is going to make you whole?
You have a repair quote of nearly $6K and you have a stated value of the car @$7K. You have a settlement of $4K. If I were buying the car from you, I'd pay you $1K and you'd end up with $5K.
This is not a flame but "Man up" and actually give a **** about what the insurance company is doing to you. You have a car that you can drive... fight those bastards until they either properly total it (and give you salvage rights) or make you whole.
Throughout the thread, you've mentioned wanting to get paint chips/fades/etc fixed. That wouldn't have been free and would have been time off the road.
If G3ICO won't listen to ECC, they'll be a bit more serious if you spend a few hundred dollars to get a lawyer to write them a letter.
Corporate America is full of people that don't move for a consumer until it has the potential of becoming litigious.
The insurance company collected your premiums and now are going to take another few thousand out of your pocket. Come on... Man Up!
I guess my ultimate confusion is around the items Mr. Corenman mentions and how you think your proposal to sell your car is going to make you whole?
You have a repair quote of nearly $6K and you have a stated value of the car @$7K. You have a settlement of $4K. If I were buying the car from you, I'd pay you $1K and you'd end up with $5K.
This is not a flame but "Man up" and actually give a **** about what the insurance company is doing to you. You have a car that you can drive... fight those bastards until they either properly total it (and give you salvage rights) or make you whole.
Throughout the thread, you've mentioned wanting to get paint chips/fades/etc fixed. That wouldn't have been free and would have been time off the road.
If G3ICO won't listen to ECC, they'll be a bit more serious if you spend a few hundred dollars to get a lawyer to write them a letter.
Corporate America is full of people that don't move for a consumer until it has the potential of becoming litigious.
The insurance company collected your premiums and now are going to take another few thousand out of your pocket. Come on... Man Up!
It happens to a lot of us, and you have to do what you have to do.
PM is NOT a good way to sell your car. I may have no interest for myself, but if I know price and title status I might be able to pass it on to somebody that would want it, same true for the rest of the people here. Keeping PM just makes the pool of potential buyers MUCH smaller.
PM is NOT a good way to sell your car. I may have no interest for myself, but if I know price and title status I might be able to pass it on to somebody that would want it, same true for the rest of the people here. Keeping PM just makes the pool of potential buyers MUCH smaller.
Mr Corenman states .." We would all like to think that if our car got hit by an asteroid-- or a cinder block-- from outer space then we would be made whole without a lot of drama. ..."
Sadly that is RARELY the case. The whole question of ACV is hit or miss with a few people getting great settlements and the vast majority are told their car was worth far less and only after much drama are some able to get a reasonable valuation. The adjusters try to settle for as little as possible that is their job.
Sadly that is RARELY the case. The whole question of ACV is hit or miss with a few people getting great settlements and the vast majority are told their car was worth far less and only after much drama are some able to get a reasonable valuation. The adjusters try to settle for as little as possible that is their job.
While I'm not in Grad school (I'm just a dumb mechanic), it would seem that if the insurance company is paying for the repair, it would be tough for you to have to "dump a ton" of money into the car, to get it fixed. Again, just a common mechanic, so my math skills may not be great.
I'm not flaming you. I just have limited time and limited ability to help people....I have a job to do, too. If you would have said that you were going to take the insurance money and sell the car, as is, I would have just moved on and never stopped to say anything, on your thread.
You wasted my time....for sure.
One of the people that has contacted you about buying the car sent me an Email. He was told you want 5K for the car, as is.
Sounds like the cinder block made you money.....
Again, just a mechanic, but I'm guessing that the insurance plus the 5K is way more than you paid for the car.....
I try to help people get their 928s fixed, not help people trying to optimize their profit. If you take that as "flaming you", I'm sorry. Just my point of view.
I'm not flaming you. I just have limited time and limited ability to help people....I have a job to do, too. If you would have said that you were going to take the insurance money and sell the car, as is, I would have just moved on and never stopped to say anything, on your thread.
You wasted my time....for sure.
One of the people that has contacted you about buying the car sent me an Email. He was told you want 5K for the car, as is.
Sounds like the cinder block made you money.....
Again, just a mechanic, but I'm guessing that the insurance plus the 5K is way more than you paid for the car.....
I try to help people get their 928s fixed, not help people trying to optimize their profit. If you take that as "flaming you", I'm sorry. Just my point of view.
Again, Greg...read my above response to jcorenman and jej3 about the money and the car. I think responding with 5k is no more unreasonable than them offering 2k for it. I am clearly open to negotiation. Initially asking high isn't a sin, and I'm sure you at one point in your day have asked high on something you valued.
As for wasting your time: I can understand that you feel a little teased, but when I initially posted after the incident, I had no idea the repair would cost $6000. One of the first responses was that it would be over $7k which blew me away. I've done as much research as I can since then and I've absorbed as much information about this as I could. I've taken the information that has been presented to me on this forum graciously and learned from everyone's posts. Isn't that what these forums are for?
You're right, although a ton is relative. I said that relative to the salvage that GEICO would charge me if it were totaled.
and little reality.
03-13-2013, 10:58 PM
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The car runs great and is drivable but you need to unload it because you’re a grad student who doesn’t have an overabundance of time or money?
Take what you can get in insurance, drive the car as is and repair or replace after grad school when you are better suited.
Take what you can get in insurance, drive the car as is and repair or replace after grad school when you are better suited.
03-13-2013, 11:36 PM
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I'm not a libertarian - I just hate to see people castrated by corporations (particularly insurers).
Soon you'll be experienced enough to know the only thing more foolish than a person who buys a 928 as both a driver AND an investment is one who thinks they are going to achieve a decent price when they sell it (damaged).
I hope someone values your car @ more than $1K with the damages - I don't know what is practical with a $6K repair bill but it really doesn't matter to anyone reading this thread anymore (or at least me).
Good luck with your life outside the shark tank!
03-13-2013, 11:49 PM
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Completely understand. No hard feelings, here.
Good luck, with whatever you decide to do.
Good luck, with whatever you decide to do.
03-17-2013, 04:52 PM
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Any good recommendations on storing the car? I thought about investing in a car cover, draining the fluids and leaving it in my socal driveway for a while and acquiring the parts on my own time. I don't have a garage spot, as that's going to my new car.
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I have a few questions:
1) Can GEICO total the car in the middle of the repair? They don't seem willing to move on their repair price unless the car is in the process of getting repaired. At that point, if the price creeps up, can they total it then, with the car in pieces and owing a shop a ton of money? This situation would be unfortunate.
2) What value do you see in a second, third opinion on the estimated repair bill?
3) Other than ECC, do 928 rennlisters trust any other body shops in the south Bay, Los Angeles area? Who else would you recommend?
4) Storing the car question, see above.
Thanks in advance.
03-17-2013, 05:20 PM
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I have a few questions:
1) Can GEICO total the car in the middle of the repair? They don't seem willing to move on their repair price unless the car is in the process of getting repaired. At that point, if the price creeps up, can they total it then, with the car in pieces and owing a shop a ton of money? This situation would be unfortunate.
Simple answer is yes.
2) What value do you see in a second, third opinion on the estimated repair bill?
I would definitely encourage you to seek out another estimate. Don't compromise on the repair procedure. Make sure that the car is going to be properly disassembled/reassembled. See if you can get an estimate that doesn't flirt so closely with the total threshold. You don't want your car to total over a small supplement that the shop might send in to your insurance.
1) Can GEICO total the car in the middle of the repair? They don't seem willing to move on their repair price unless the car is in the process of getting repaired. At that point, if the price creeps up, can they total it then, with the car in pieces and owing a shop a ton of money? This situation would be unfortunate.
Simple answer is yes.
2) What value do you see in a second, third opinion on the estimated repair bill?
I would definitely encourage you to seek out another estimate. Don't compromise on the repair procedure. Make sure that the car is going to be properly disassembled/reassembled. See if you can get an estimate that doesn't flirt so closely with the total threshold. You don't want your car to total over a small supplement that the shop might send in to your insurance.
03-17-2013, 06:08 PM
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I have a few questions:
1) Can GEICO total the car in the middle of the repair? They don't seem willing to move on their repair price unless the car is in the process of getting repaired. At that point, if the price creeps up, can they total it then, with the car in pieces and owing a shop a ton of money? This situation would be unfortunate.
Simple answer is yes.
2) What value do you see in a second, third opinion on the estimated repair bill?
I would definitely encourage you to seek out another estimate. Don't compromise on the repair procedure. Make sure that the car is going to be properly disassembled/reassembled. See if you can get an estimate that doesn't flirt so closely with the total threshold. You don't want your car to total over a small supplement that the shop might send in to your insurance.
1) Can GEICO total the car in the middle of the repair? They don't seem willing to move on their repair price unless the car is in the process of getting repaired. At that point, if the price creeps up, can they total it then, with the car in pieces and owing a shop a ton of money? This situation would be unfortunate.
Simple answer is yes.
2) What value do you see in a second, third opinion on the estimated repair bill?
I would definitely encourage you to seek out another estimate. Don't compromise on the repair procedure. Make sure that the car is going to be properly disassembled/reassembled. See if you can get an estimate that doesn't flirt so closely with the total threshold. You don't want your car to total over a small supplement that the shop might send in to your insurance.
