E15 - devil's brew
01-17-2013, 09:42 PM
#91
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most cars in the US after 1985 had alcohol-compatible fuel hoses. change your fuel lines (should be done anyways at this age) and youll be fine with EFI. MFI might be different.
01-17-2013, 09:42 PM
#92
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This thread got posted in the 944 turbo forum in the thread "E85 MEGA THREAD"
There is now quite a few 951s with a diet of e85 for breakfast lunch and dinner!
People have left it in the system for months sitting and no corrosion. A lot have been running it over 3 years with not one issue.
It has been all positives with the higher octane. Read the thread, good info there!
There is now quite a few 951s with a diet of e85 for breakfast lunch and dinner!
People have left it in the system for months sitting and no corrosion. A lot have been running it over 3 years with not one issue.
It has been all positives with the higher octane. Read the thread, good info there!
01-17-2013, 10:22 PM
#93
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Havnt read the whole thread, and I'm only speaking to what I know of it first hand (also not about subsidies)
I've ran it now in 944's for over 8 years. My current car has been on it for three years as a daily driver and fun race toy.
I havn't had any issues with rubber lines, injectors or pumps.
Again I havn't read this whole thing and I'm only posting this bc one of you guys had asked for some input.
Any of you boosted guys would love it.
I've ran it now in 944's for over 8 years. My current car has been on it for three years as a daily driver and fun race toy.
I havn't had any issues with rubber lines, injectors or pumps.
Again I havn't read this whole thing and I'm only posting this bc one of you guys had asked for some input.
Any of you boosted guys would love it.
01-17-2013, 11:16 PM
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+85 Sid.
Also been using E85 for years. I suggest that this thread isn't about performance though. Looks like most of the people in this thread aren't concerned about extra or high performance. E85 is far and away the most commonly used fuel in racing down here in Australia. It's much cheaper than traditional race fuel and provides a very stable fuel to extract high performance safely. Yes, you have to allow for approximately 25% more but it still proves to be more than worthwhile. I haven't seen any negative effects from using it in my car since 2009.
Also been using E85 for years. I suggest that this thread isn't about performance though. Looks like most of the people in this thread aren't concerned about extra or high performance. E85 is far and away the most commonly used fuel in racing down here in Australia. It's much cheaper than traditional race fuel and provides a very stable fuel to extract high performance safely. Yes, you have to allow for approximately 25% more but it still proves to be more than worthwhile. I haven't seen any negative effects from using it in my car since 2009.
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01-18-2013, 05:21 PM
#95
I did respond. See references listed above. Stating that "Ethanol is in no way corrosive" is neither factual nor clear, nor is it in agreement with your next statement regarding "aluminum rust". You first say that ethanol is not corrosive, and then describe how ethanol causes aluminum corrosion. I am merely pointing out that there is an inherent inconsistency with those two statements, and further providing evidence that ethanol can be corrosive.
Also, I encourage you to take pictures and document your lack of obvious corrosion/etc from use of ethanol fuel. For one, it will provide a record for yourself to compare against as the years go by, but moreover it will provide some reasonable data for the forum as to what the effects *really* are. Right now, that information is not publicly available, and would go a long way to assuage some people's fears, whether they are justified or not.
EDIT: upon reflection, I think that even if corrosion is a problem, your engine will experience TBF, or some turkey will hit you, or you will drive off a cliff long before the metallic corrosion becomes an issue. If you are keeping the car for 100k+ miles, then be concerned, if not, drive it like you stole it.
Also, I encourage you to take pictures and document your lack of obvious corrosion/etc from use of ethanol fuel. For one, it will provide a record for yourself to compare against as the years go by, but moreover it will provide some reasonable data for the forum as to what the effects *really* are. Right now, that information is not publicly available, and would go a long way to assuage some people's fears, whether they are justified or not.
EDIT: upon reflection, I think that even if corrosion is a problem, your engine will experience TBF, or some turkey will hit you, or you will drive off a cliff long before the metallic corrosion becomes an issue. If you are keeping the car for 100k+ miles, then be concerned, if not, drive it like you stole it.
All Valid points. I am attempting to describe that Ethanol in LARGE quantities (E85/E100) does not corrode, but it does CLEAN. And when you take that to the rational nth degree, something that is scoured consistently will allow the substrate to sit unprotected in the case of aluminum, which would normally have the protective oxide surface.
Anyway - great point about pictures. I'll try to think about that.
01-18-2013, 05:58 PM
#96
I don't think the world is going to end if you put E15 in your car but I do know that government inspired production seldom makes any sense. I live in a state where rural electricity in the 1940's was spearheaded by the government and our power companies are still a public enterprise with some of the cheapest power in the nation. That worked out great but that is rarely the case. I just don't think Ethonal is in that same catorgory when you consider the water rescourses and fossil fuel it takes to produce each gallon.
01-18-2013, 07:35 PM
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04-11-2013, 12:08 PM
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So, it has been made clear, without a doubt and with proof substantiating facts and evidence that E-fuel in no way causes problems of any sort in any engine of any age made of any materials.
That being said, I would like to discuss the white powdery corrosion and green gooey slime that I find in my small engine carburetors after the off season, which, by total coincidence, has become more of a problem over the last couple decades that E-fuels have become more prevalent.
Hopefully this weekend will be the last use of the snow blower for the season. It is currently being run on, for no good reason, non-E-fuel with Stabil. What should I do before shutting it off for the last time until next fall?
That being said, I would like to discuss the white powdery corrosion and green gooey slime that I find in my small engine carburetors after the off season, which, by total coincidence, has become more of a problem over the last couple decades that E-fuels have become more prevalent.
Hopefully this weekend will be the last use of the snow blower for the season. It is currently being run on, for no good reason, non-E-fuel with Stabil. What should I do before shutting it off for the last time until next fall?
04-11-2013, 12:45 PM
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So, it has been made clear, without a doubt and with proof substantiating facts and evidence that E-fuel in no way causes problems of any sort in any engine of any age made of any materials.
That being said, I would like to discuss the white powdery corrosion and green gooey slime that I find in my small engine carburetors after the off season, which, by total coincidence, has become more of a problem over the last couple decades that E-fuels have become more prevalent.
Hopefully this weekend will be the last use of the snow blower for the season. It is currently being run on, for no good reason, non-E-fuel with Stabil. What should I do before shutting it off for the last time until next fall?
That being said, I would like to discuss the white powdery corrosion and green gooey slime that I find in my small engine carburetors after the off season, which, by total coincidence, has become more of a problem over the last couple decades that E-fuels have become more prevalent.
Hopefully this weekend will be the last use of the snow blower for the season. It is currently being run on, for no good reason, non-E-fuel with Stabil. What should I do before shutting it off for the last time until next fall?
I personally think you are purposely changing the subject. Lol. It seems the real issue is that you are still having to use your snow blower and its april.
04-11-2013, 02:14 PM
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So, it has been made clear, without a doubt and with proof substantiating facts and evidence that E-fuel in no way causes problems of any sort in any engine of any age made of any materials.
That being said, I would like to discuss the white powdery corrosion and green gooey slime that I find in my small engine carburetors after the off season, which, by total coincidence, has become more of a problem over the last couple decades that E-fuels have become more prevalent.
Hopefully this weekend will be the last use of the snow blower for the season. It is currently being run on, for no good reason, non-E-fuel with Stabil. What should I do before shutting it off for the last time until next fall?
That being said, I would like to discuss the white powdery corrosion and green gooey slime that I find in my small engine carburetors after the off season, which, by total coincidence, has become more of a problem over the last couple decades that E-fuels have become more prevalent.
Hopefully this weekend will be the last use of the snow blower for the season. It is currently being run on, for no good reason, non-E-fuel with Stabil. What should I do before shutting it off for the last time until next fall?
The ideal answer would be to drain it but no one wants to do that these days and Stabil usually makes a huge difference.
I feel sorry for you haveing to use a snow blower at all, especially this late in the year. We are running our A/C.
04-20-2014, 12:16 PM
#102
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It's been a year so why not!
>>>>> Here's a good link. <<<<<
I actually have had to use the snow blower within the last two weeks. I've been closing the petcock while it's running and letting it burn the carb clear of fuel. That combined with Sta-bil in the gas seems to be working well.
>>>>> Here's a good link. <<<<<
I actually have had to use the snow blower within the last two weeks. I've been closing the petcock while it's running and letting it burn the carb clear of fuel. That combined with Sta-bil in the gas seems to be working well.
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04-20-2014, 03:18 PM
#103
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I pull all the fuel out of the boat and motorized tool tanks for off-season storage (all with HDPE tanks...). Then put the vented caps back on with a plastic layer underneath so there's no chance for condensation in the tank. No worries anyway, since the first dose of E in the E-gas will carry it to the tailpipe nicely. I think Sta-Bil is a good product, but better is to remove the potentially offending fuel completely before storage. Gas that isn't there isn't likely to go bad or need treatment.
Anecdotal: One season, one of the water toys was inadvertently left with fuel in it from October to April. The low-boilers had evaporated and left a mix that made noticeably more power than fresh gas that replaced it in the tank. That was during MTBE days, prior to the more eco-friendly (that's corn-farmer and refiner ECOnomy, not ECOlogy...) ethanol.
Anecdotal: One season, one of the water toys was inadvertently left with fuel in it from October to April. The low-boilers had evaporated and left a mix that made noticeably more power than fresh gas that replaced it in the tank. That was during MTBE days, prior to the more eco-friendly (that's corn-farmer and refiner ECOnomy, not ECOlogy...) ethanol.
