Nice Red GTS on EBay
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Looks nice, but I would value it at no more than about half the asking price, its a 93 AT in one of the most common colors, 32k miles, but far too few since 2004 to reveal any lurking issues. Buy a 928 that has mostly sat for 8 years at your own risk if you plan to actually drive it.
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To me this GTS looks as good as any of the high dollar ones that routinely go up for sale. It looks to be in top notch condition inside and out and no rub strips. A great color combo also so I would say a fair price as GTS's go.
Why would anyone want a beetle over a 928? Still to this day the "928" is the best combo of looks, performance, and feel that you can buy in a car w/o going into the high 6 figures.
Why would anyone want a beetle over a 928? Still to this day the "928" is the best combo of looks, performance, and feel that you can buy in a car w/o going into the high 6 figures.
#34
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Let's all calm down. Remember when Willhoit first asked over $100K for a 928, and everyone thought it was ridiculous? Well, that car sold, so let's wait and see if this '93 sells for this price. Stranger things have happened. It just takes one guy out there whose willing to pay it.
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What's the story on the ultra long RMB?
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Wilhoit got a KILLER deal on the low mile GTS that sold for $107K. I know the dealer he bought it from and i was floored when I heard the price. I t pays to have cash and connections.
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Just so the "TRUTH" is known Mike,you did not beat me to the car !! I turned it down at that price , because of paint work that was not disclosed upon inspection and I thought it was toooooooooooo high at that time considering those issues !! It was and is what it is !! Hope you get what you are asking,as I do, buttttttttt you are going to see it is harder than it looks to do that,unless you are able to finance the buyer,take his trade,organize shipping plus provice a 30 day warranty !! Besides it is an automatic,not a 5 speed that made the market what it is today !! Don't worry, you are safe as most first time 928 buyers aren't on this site !! Good luck and we'll see just how good you are !!
#39
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Why would anyone want a 997 turbo "beetle" over an "egg"? Because the beetle would beat the egg in EVERY aspect of performance as if the egg was standing still. I have repeatedly stated before that true car enthusiasts appreciate the strengths and weaknesses of different cars. It is not "your father can beat up my father" childish fights. Dr. Porsche built both 911 and 928 and felt that both are good enough to bear his name. Simply, arguments of which is a "true Porsche" ended right there. Only the most clueless 911 snobs would denounce the 928 as a non-Porsche, and vice versa.
The marvelous 928's place in history was carved in stone and requires no excuses or unnecessary validations. Boastings such as "its performance capabilities rival the modern performance cars'" taint the car's true merits.
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Drifting
Did you mean high 5 figures? Even at 5 figures, there are tons of new cars that beat the 928 in every aspect of performance hands down. I personally do not make such comparison as it is simply unfair to compare a 30 year old classic super coupe to modern days cars. I love what the 928 is, as is, the most capable and sophisticated super GT of its time, and arguably the most beautiful. Since looks are subjective, I still think the 928 OB/S are gorgeous as sin. But when it comes to performance figures, the data do not support your claims that it can still rival the modern performance cars.
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Looks -- I think the same way about the 928 S looks. I live a few miles from one of the largest exotic dealers in the US, I see Ferrari's and Aston's and Porsche's whenever I want. If I were to put my S2 in that showroom after a nice wax, lowered as mine is, with updated wheels/tires and aero mirrors, it would be the most desirable looking car in there.
Feel - no other car has the interior layout and ergonomics of a 928 combined with the solid road feel that it gives. Everything is optimal in that driving position.
performance - "tons of new cars that beat the 928 in every aspect". I agree there are many that can beat it on acceleration from 0-60 AND braking 60-0. Not many can beat it on stability at speed because of the suspension, body shape, and 50-50 weight balance. Give me a 928 on a twisty country road over most of these newer cars. And a 928 is still a very safe car.
This was not a for sale thread by the owner so I don't think this is a hijack
Look at the black euro S in back of the racer in this photo, just an amazing looking car
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I don't see a reason to be neutral on listed cars. I'm on the side of the new owner that is going to keep the car and come here looking for help with it over the long haul. I'll help a seller with issues if I can, or put somebody in touch with them that wants a car like they have, but nothing is getting a sugar coating.
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As I said before in the spirit of fair competition and integrity you would never disclose a wholesale price to an outsider on a competitors’ car. I’m surprised and disappointed you would disclose it to the world on my sale. Currently my car is your only competition as far as excellent GTS’s on the market. So now you post again with more disparaging and misleading comments as GlenL wrote “to pee on my sale”. That’s the only conclusion I can draw also.
However, if you were instead trying to educate all of us, then please disclose your wholesale purchase prices on your GTS’s. Then we can all be properly and fairly educated apples to apples, wholesale to wholesale. You are the one that “sets the mark” on these cars as Iceman posted. Your opinion is in high regard here. As Marine Blue commented, “I was floored when I heard the price” regarding your cost related to the $107k GTS you sold. Notice how he didn’t disclose the price you paid? That’s common courtesy and he is not even a dealer. From his comment it is clear the margin is large. So again we need to know your delta between wholesale and retail to get a proper idea if I’m priced correct on retail, IF YOU are going to be fair.
I would never have had to waste the time beating this dead horse if when I sent you a message and politely asked you, “I would appreciate you removing your post ASAP on Rennlist about what price you tried to buy my 928 for two years ago. It is not helpful”. Your only response was “nope”. That’s a far cry from your attitude here on this public forum that you state you “hope you get what you are asking”. That’s hypocritical to say the least. You continue to say, “Don’t worry I am safe as most first time buyers are not on this site”. Why would I worry and why would you make that comment? Only because you know you posted disparaging comments about my sale.
Other members are welcome to say whatever they want about the value. That’s the spirit of the Forum. It is all speculation and up to the market in the end. However you are a licensed dealer held in the highest regard for your opinion on GTS value. Most importantly you have access to privileged information regarding my car. Additionally you are my only competition currently for a high end GTS for sale. So in the interest of fair competition and integrity please let us know your delta between retail and wholesale on your GTS’s. After all, don’t worry you are safe as most first time buyers are not on this site. Or just state the reality, your peeing on my sale.
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How many times has this been discussed here? The value of the GTS doesn't just rest with it's performance, but with it's rarity and collectibility. GTS's are the last and arguably the most desirable of all 928's, which is why nice examples such as this are so expensive.
Tom,
Mike's car in San Antonio was probably just as nice (if not nicer than this one) with just over 43K on the clock.
His car had a binder about 3 inches thick with every documented service that had EVER been done on the car from day ONE. Everything was done on the car, no PM's were due.
Same exact color sceme except his had Body Side molding.
Mike just sold about 2 weeks ago for $36,000.
Big difference in price for sure!
Mike's car in San Antonio was probably just as nice (if not nicer than this one) with just over 43K on the clock.
His car had a binder about 3 inches thick with every documented service that had EVER been done on the car from day ONE. Everything was done on the car, no PM's were due.
Same exact color sceme except his had Body Side molding.
Mike just sold about 2 weeks ago for $36,000.
Big difference in price for sure!