IcemanG17

"faster" is a relative term....sure there are plenty of "more powerful" and "faster on paper" cars out there for probably much less $$$$.....BUT this car has been there and done that over 8 times..... It is proven.....not theoretical & the difference between those two is HUGE....and not cheap either....

Perfect example.....Tim owns a 2009 ZR1....which on paper has more power(about 40hp) and less weight (prolly 400+lbs) than the Beast....so the ZR1 is faster right? NOPE.....chevy says it will do 205mph.....under ideal scenario at low elevation......The beast went over 200mph, as high as 209.9 at ABOVE 5000ft.......how can this be explained?

Jim Nowak

You are comparing a dead stock ZR1 off the show room floor to a 928 with windows and seams taped, mirrors removed, lowered, special front air, ETC, ETC to a stock car. Really? Don't you think the ZR1 could do better if properly prepped?

Here is a ZR1 that hit 207 and was cruising at 205+ for a minute. Looked pretty effortless. http://vettetube.com/view_video.php?...39561d12151676

Higher elevation equates to less resistance than sea level.

If you want to see fast/quick, take a C5 Corvette build the motors and put twin turbos on it. You will have 1000 hp.

Here is a 1000 hp C5 for $36,800 OBO. It will make the ZR1's acceleration look like a slug.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2001-...item2a1d43bedd

Here is what 650 HP will get you in a C5: 220+ mph

How about an 800 hp Viper for $33,900? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge...item43afc58e75

780 hp Toyota Supra for $42,000. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1995-...item27c6dcafb7

Yes, really. It took me all of 30 seconds to find faster/quicker cars. See above.

I love the 928 and have been a 928 owner for close to 20 years but there are much faster/quicker/nicer cars available today. Savor the 928 for what it was/is and that is an amazing car for the time that still looks good and performs well even among today's cars.

SeanR

Sorry, but none of those cars you mentioned could ever be considered "nicer" than a 928. Cheaper yes, but no way are they nicer.

Hell, brand new Corvettes are still plastic pieces of ****. I'd own one for the fun factor but I'd rather have that power in a 20 year old Porsche.

Fastest928

Oddly, it appears this argument come up every decade or so!

When we first started going fast, and folks asked how much it cost to do what we were doing, and I stated the cost of development, they laughed and told me how I could just buy a 200mph from Hennessey or Lingenfelter, Steeda and so forth.

Well, if one wants to go out and "hit" 200 mph for a few seconds, then not a bad route, a far less costly option!

However, I do not have enough fingers to count all the Venom whatever or Linginfelters twin this or that or IMSA or other race cars that we passed at 200 +mph sitting on the side of the road....not going 200 anymore.

"Hitting 200" is one thing, "going 200" for 3-7 minutes is another level of engineering that few, including factory fast cars have ever achieved.

In Open Road racing, the 928 is one of the most reliable vehicle platforms capable of "going 200" in the history of the event.

Duplicating "the beasts" cars open road racing performance has yet to be achieved in the Porsche community, or any other for that matter.

Tahoe Shark

Thanks for the tour of e bay and u tube, Jim

I guess my definition of faster is some what different than yours. I was assuming that the cars I would be compared to could actually run their speed for more than a couple of minutes. I was assuming they could do it on the public highways or non track venues. I was assuming that they could actually go around turns. I was assuming they could hold 170 plus for a hundred miles and throw in 10 - 15 miles of 200 + mph through the traps. I also wrongly assumed that they would have some chance of actually finishing a 100 mile run. There is so much more to running fast than bolting parts on.

I have raced a twin turbo hennessey Corvette. Was he faster? Don't know because he only made it 20 miles. Is that representitive of all Hennessey's? I don't know.

Your selections were mostly turbo charged or supercharged cars. Are they quicker, you bet they are. Do they have more horsepower, yep. Are they cheaper to build, absolutely! Will they run 200 mph for miles on end. NOPE, they will not. They will overheat and fail. I am not saying that one cannot be built to do the same thing my little NA 928 will do, but I am saying that I have never been beat by one. I have only seen one FI car even finishes and that is a 928 also.

I really fear that my little for sale thread is taking a turn for the worse here. I take a lot of pride in the fact that this car spends almost its entire life near 6000 rpms. You know how many DNF's? None! Not hundreds of miles, but a couple of thousand. Bring any of your "examples" out and let's see who is fastest.

This is the end of my part of the developing pi$$ing contest.

IcemanG17

Well said!!!!

Mark Anderson

Having spent over 2 decades racing my 928 I have seen first hand how the engineering in the 928 compares to other cars. I can give you a long list of stuff I never have problems with that is common place with Corvettes, Mustangs, even 911's. Marc and Tim's car has an impressive record of not only speed but reliability. Like the old adage " To finish first you must first finish"

fbarnhill

Well said Mark and Tim. One of the reasons I wound up with a 928 for a DD since 1990 is that I can beat the hell out of it and it kind of likes it. Not only that but she gets me home every time. Before 1990, I broke so many cars driving the **** out of them that my wife was about to kill me. It is a source of great mirth when my family gathers to talk about how many cars I have had over the last 40 years. When I say they broke, I am talking about broken A arms, other suspension parts, transmissions (many), even had the rear suspension rip from the unibody on a nice BMW 328. The 928 has never failed me no matter how hard I drive it. What I mean to say is that it is tougher than me. Since I discoverd that, I have had nothing else. Once they are sorted, they are just awsome.

Now, did you see the list of races that Tim posted? People spend tens of thousands of $$$ preparing cars to go run those races and win. You need to google them and look at the numbers and types of cars that enter them. Then maybe you will be a little more impressed with Tim's record.

Really, a car that you can drive to the event, run 209 mph for 100+ miles with NO breakdowns, then drive the same car home. Are you kidding? You don't think there were many Corvettes, Vipers and other supercars entered in these races? Like I said, do your research before making judgments.

If I had $10,000,000 to spend this is still the car I would purchase.

My 2 cents worth,

Louie928

Hi Tim and Cheryl,
Sorry to see life's turns pulls you away from the 928 ORR activities. I hope someone realizes what they would have if they did buy your car and all the accessories you've included. The effort and cost to achieve perfection in your purpose built machine, street and ORR, is overwhelming.

We thoroughly enjoyed the 928 events you sponsored at Tahoe. Thanks for doing that. They are a memory that will stay with us forever. Good luck with the competitive shooting sport. Do you and Cheryl do anything that isn't competitive?

Tahoe Shark

No we don't Louie. Ingrained for 64 years and can't shake it.
Thanks for the kind words. We expect to come up again and see you guys or maybe get together on your next trip down at flower time.

Jim Nowak

Read what I typed. I said faster or nicer or cheaper in my original post. I did not say faster, nicer, and cheaper. Tahoe asked to show him a faster car for cheaper. It did not take long to find. I'm not sure I can show a more reliable fast car but that was not the question.

I'm sure the OP's car is awesome. In fact, I love it and hope he gets every dime he is asking. However, like I said, it fits a very narrow niche. It is a race car. Yes, it is in races and has race mileage. The person who buys this car will be looking for a race car and not a street car and at the price point there are many very quick/fast options.

The money spent to make the car this fast was not cheap. I'm sure there are not many expenses sacrificed in the build process. Look, I know 928's are not cheap to make very fast and there were lots of trial and error to get him where he is at with the car. I'd bet Tahoe will take a $50,000+ loss in the deal to boot. Let me make this very clear. I'm not, at all, knocking his car.

Bill Ball

Jim:

I honestly don't see why this can't be a perfectly good street car as well as a race car. Marc & Susan did that with the White Car. If I bought this car it would be my daily driver. I ran my 89 in almost as many ORRs as Time & Cheryl, although 30-40 MPH slower - still at the limits of the machine - gas pedal on the floor for miles, cruising in the high 160s, even breaking into the 170s when I had my supercharger. Then I drove the car home and drove it to work. And drove to work the next day, etc. No special care - just routine maintenance. I started doing this when the car had 130K miles. It's now is at 242K miles and I've not touched the motor internals, valve train, etc. I've driven Tim & Cheryl's car on the street (the roads used in ORR) and it is remarkably comfortable. The suspension is marvelous and not at all bone-jarring.

928mac

If I had the coin it would be my DD, and on the weekends I would drive it to the track.
That would be a very fun 4 hr drive to the track (4 hr @ 120 kph)

jsherid1

I am in a slightly different boat from Bill--if I bought that car it would likely precipitate a divorce!

In all seriousness, what an awesome machine--you have done the 928 community proud by showing your rear bumper to just about everything else out there.

Jim Nowak

Bill, I'm sure you could convert back to street car condition but, IMHO, the value is the fact that it is race ready. I don't believe that it will sell for anywhere close to $60K as a street car and, as a street car, I would think the value is closer to $35K and that may be on the high side. As in any sale, it is worth as much as someone is willing to pay.

Once again, I hope Tahoe gets every dollar he can get for his 928. There are much better choices for a dedicated driver. He would be going against much more modern cars with better conveniences, more airbags for safety, and much more comfortable. As much as I love 928's, I would have a tough time choosing to spend $60K on a modified S4 as nice as it may be. The value is to keep the car in the same trim as it is currently in with hopes to sell to someone who is looking for a 928 race car.