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Old 10-21-2011 | 10:32 AM
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Default Anyone have experiences after buying a *Brand New* 928? ('79 in '79 etc.)

Starting a new thread to carry on a conversation started in this thread:

https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...-weissach.html

Who has bought a 928 when it was Brand Spanking New? (bought a '78 in 1978, bought a '79 in 1979, etc. to buying a new '95 GTS in 1995 etc.)

What were your experiences during the first years of ownership?

Were there quality/reliability issues with any particular components (hopefully improved by Porsche over time)?

Did you find points against your license accumulating?

Etc.
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I'll start. Bought my auto 81 new in '81. Still have it.
Only problems I recall were that the brake pressure regulator failed at 42k, resulting in braking only on one pair of diagonal wheels! Other than that, all routine maintenance, on 3rd TB and second WP. Probably the most reliable car ( pre-2000) that I owned.
Oh, and no tickets!
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What a beauty.....
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Neil!

Those are my wheels. I thought mine were the only two-tone phone dials on the planet. I like the silver lips on the inner parts of the 5 openings as well. Mine are just silver on the lip on the rim and the rest is black. Your car is a beauty!

Good idea for a thread too!
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Neil!

Those are my wheels. I thought mine were the only two-tone phone dials on the planet. I like the silver lips on the inner parts of the 5 openings as well. Mine are just silver on the lip on the rim and the rest is black. Your car is a beauty!

Good idea for a thread too!
Thanks Mike - yes, those wheels were on it when I bought it.
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Cool thread. I hope there are more out there with stories.

Some other questions that I would like to hear about in the stories if possible.

Did you order your car special (I'm not even sure you could) or buy it off the lot ?
What were your reasons for choosing a color, an interior, an option...etc
The location of the dealership.
Neighbors or family reactions to your new 928.
First drive home or test drive experience.
Mechanical or other issues you had in your first year or so of ownership.

These are just things I've wondered about.
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Apologies first for this is a bit of a thread creep, since I was not even close to being the original owner, but I have a pretty good picture of what the first 10 years were like, from the service records. And honestly, it doesn't paint a very pretty picture... Here's a spreadsheet from the first 10 years of what I would consider non-routine maintenance (though there's a TB or 2 in there somewhere.) It reads like a who's who of known 928 weaknesses...

Code:
Date	mileage	Notes
6/16/1990		Car delivery date
		
4/15/1991	6124	A/C not cold. 
		replaced o-ring 928-573-637-03 for comp/evaporator hose
		evacuate and charged A/C system- 4 lbs fR-12
		replaced o-rings for rear pipes 928-573-637-02
		replaced o-rings for rear pressure pipes 928-573-636-02
		 
		
7/15/1991	7719	timing belt light comes on- cause #11
		adjusted cam belt -2.1 hours
		rubber bumper for gas door missing, cut new piece to fit and install
		
11/22/1991	11532	Shifter loose- R&R protective plate
		R&R exhaust system
		R&R angular joint and adjust shift linkage
		
2/25/1992	15376	15K mile service
		rear wiper not engaged into drive. 
		
5/5/1992	18215	A/C not working. Checked cold performance of A/C
		labor under warranty = 114
		R&R A/C temp ('freeze) switch 928-613-133-00
		R&R A/C line 928-573-636-02
		`
		left rear backup light inoperable- installed N-017-732-2 bulb 
		padding on right door loose. Reglued leather to panel
		
4/14/1993	27686	brake pad warning light on- replaced front pads and rotors
		CD changer not working- removed and replaced CD-player 928-645-019-AX
		
8/16/1993	30258	replaced cracking cam belt 928-105-157-50 timing belt
		
9/13/1993	30693	Clutch dropped to floor- replaced flexible portion of clutch slave hose 928-423-077-07 (NOT the blue hose)
		
6/9/1994	38869	running on fwy, temp went to hot. Replaced t-stat 928-106-129-17
		crank rod for cooling flaps broken- wired flaps open, ordered part. 
		
6/14/1994	38916	engine cooling fan won't shut off unless hood is opened - replaced temp switch in top of intake plenum at rear  928-606-217-00
		replaced cooling vent flaps crank 928-575-053-00 air vent
		
9/16/1994	41287	left mirror glass fell out of housing- reinstalled
		
10/25/1994	42712	replace power steering hose 928-347-445-05 reservoir to pump
		replaced oil pan gasket 928-101-207-00
		replaced valve cover/cam cover gaskets 928-105-215-00 x 6 
		928-104-447-09 valve cover x2 
		
3/15/1995	47005	enigne protective plate mounting broken- repaired and reinstalled
		
4/12/1995	47732	replace right door lock cylinder 928-537-908-02
		replace right door lock servo 928-624-211-00
		lock har (?) 928-612-930-00
		Right door mirror won't stay in position- resinstalled mirror
		tire pressure monitor keeps coming on- replaced pressure warning control unit
		(warranty price of unit 928-618-150-01 Air-RDK = $998.25)
		
5/17/1995	47806	car dies and stalls rolling to stop with clutch in. Dx'ed but battery low- replaced battery
		A/C inoperable. Serviced A/C
		
7/18/1995	49085	car stopped running on freeway, towed in
		diagnosed and replaced 02 control unit 928-618-123-13 LH controller
		
9/25/1995	49551	Smog due to change of ownership
		
10/30/1995	50267	evac and recharge A/C
		2 service valves  115-832-00-85
		removed broken check valve
		replaced clutch slave cylinder 928-116-237-22
		
5/5/1997	59670	evac and recharge A/C
		2 service valves  115-832-00-85
		replaced A/C suction hose line at compressor 928-573-098-08
		
		replaced clutch
		
9/15/1997	62376	replaced hood release cable 928-511-037-04
		
12/3/1997	63818	replaced blower series resistor 928-616-101-00
		replaced engine oil cooler 928-107-212-00
		
4/28/1998	65629	engine running rough- MAF was shorted. Replaced it and rechecked.
		
6/30/1998	66343	engine overheats- replaced WP, T-stat, heater control valve, flushed cooling system replaced temperature sensor
		coolant
		rubber o-ring 999-701-632-40
		rebuilt waterpump 928-106-915-X
		thermostat 928-106-129-17
		engine temp sensor driver's side of coolant crossover 928-606-201-03
		driver's side seat memory switch 928-613-235-00-01C 
		heater valve 928-574-573-03
		replaced passenger side seat set switch #1
		replaced A/C compressoe and O-rings, added dye and charged system
		999-707-247-40 o-ring x2
		999-707-251-40 o ring x4
		999-707-250-40 oring x2
		UD24774 schrader valves x 4
		3 lbs freon @ 39 a pound
		900-123-149-70 seal ring
		999-707-251-40 o ring x4
		928-126-11-X A/C compressor
		928-613-235-00-01C switch
		
		replaced radiator
		928-106-023-20 radiator
		928-106-444-01 radiator drain plug
		
		
12/23/1998	68872	tranny will not release reverse
		replaced shift linkage coupler (AKA angular joint)
		shifter 928-424-005-01 (front shifter ball cup)
		
9/13/1999	74751	A/C fan only working on high- blower resistor on order (was replaced at 63818 miles in 12/97….)
		Dash light for trunk lid comes on over bumps - repaired latch, cleaned contacts
		replaced rear shocks 928-333-051-16 x 2
		rear wiper inoperable. Parts on order
		
10/26/1999	75669	Blower works only on high- replaced blower resistor and wiper am linkage
		replaced blower resistor (AKA) A/C thermo switch 928-616-101-00 (was replaced at 63818 miles on 12/3/97)
		replaced wiper arm linkage\mounting 928-628-309-03
		problem: intermittent loss of power: traced to possible DME control unit
		
11/15/1999	76205	Complaint of loss of power- bad temp sensors caused relay to go bad- replaced both sensors and relay
		ignition relay 928-618-175-00 (on bottom of LH/EZK cluster)
		cylinder temperature sensors x2 928-606-155-02
		total plus sales tax 515.99
		
3/23/2000	78759	
		R&R master cylinder reservoir, checked switch (was ok), cause of warning light coming on. Possible wire or control unit?
		
8/25/2000	81993	engine stalls when driving- starts but won't idle
		replaced cylinder temp sensors for ignition circuit 928-606-155-00 x 2
		replaced sealing rings N-013-812-5
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I could not search on "new" (too common a term) when I started this thread, and got no hits with what I did try. But I just thought to search (title only) on "Original Owner" and found these - each has some first owner tid-bits, or musings of such:

Who is an original first owner" (Feb. 2004)
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...original+owner

"Original Owner = Kamakazi the car!" (Sept. 2004)
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...original+owner

"original owner drives his 928 daily!!" (Sept. 2005)
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...original+owner

"OO! Original Owner" (Jan. 2007)
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...original+owner

"original owner OB (79) on craigslist $2500" (May 2009)
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...original+owner

"CL Oregon - '78 original owner $6k" (August 2009)
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...original+owner

"FS by Original owner - 1994 928 GTS - Amazon Green/Grey - AT - 29.5k miles" (Aug. 2011)
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...original+owner

Edit: Two good ones from "One Owner" (title only) search:

"Mint 83 928S one owner" (January 2006)
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...one-owner.html

"One-owner 928s?" (May 2005)
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...wner-928s.html

Last edited by hernanca; 10-21-2011 at 06:17 PM. Reason: Two more threads from "One Owner" search.
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Originally Posted by neilh
I'll start. Bought my auto 81 new in '81. Still have it.
Only problems I recall were that the brake pressure regulator failed at 42k, resulting in braking only on one pair of diagonal wheels! Other than that, all routine maintenance, on 3rd TB and second WP. Probably the most reliable car ( pre-2000) that I owned.
Oh, and no tickets!
That's fantastic. I fought to keep our car over the years but it didn't pan out, we got rid of the car back in '84, I followed it till about '86 then lost track. I've been searching for years for another clean weissach, I found one back in 2005, good dash, clean exterior and new carpets inside, owned by a meticulous PCA member. I parked the car in one of my warehouses back in '05, threw a cover on it and forgot about it. I pulled it out about two weeks ago and much to my chagrin the dash had pulled around the defroster vents despite the fact that the damn thing had been sitting inside with no exposure to the sun! The car is sitting at my mechanics shop right now getting the timing belt, water pump and other assorted stuff done to make it ready for a trip to Penn State so my daughter can use it as a daily driver while at school.

Regardless, the only car older than 5 years old that I purchased new and still own to this day is my 88.5 Silver Rose Metalic 944 Turbo S, I guess despite knowing better I bought into the porsche limited edition nonsense again...
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Hi,

In 1984 on my 20th birthday, my father told me: “As a birthday gift chose any car you want!”
As you can imagine I was completely trilled and at the same time a little confused about the choice, but no way I was going to leave this opportunity pass.
So, I chose my dream car at that time, the Lamborghini Countach!
I still remember my father calling Italy to know the conditions for buying a Countach and my sadness when they said that each car was made by order and will take about 3 months! No way I can wait that longer! What if my father thinks again in his proposal and realizes the “mistake” he has done giving his son a super car that at any age but especially at 20 can be a deadly weapon?
So, lets go to the second choice: Porsche 911 (930) Turbo!
I remember walking in the Lisbon Porsche Centre, at that time a very small one, with only one car in exhibition. Asking for the 930, one month for delivery!
Then, looking at the car in exhibition I remember thinking, “What the hell is that strange Porsche?”
It was no less than a beautiful 1984 928S in silver with a black full leather interior!
And when the guy said that for immediate delivery that was the only car available, what the hell, it’s a Porsche it can be bad lol!
To cut a long story short, unfortunately when we are young, we sometimes made mistakes that we regret for the rest of our life! And I made one with that car that was selling it after 6 months, because at that time I decided that I want a bigger and more practical car to drive with my friends! So I bought a 4x4 Mercedes G280 with a removable top, and I was quite happy about it because now I have a lot of space, get sun in my head and I can drive in the beach! How stupid I was! Still today I regret not keeping that 928S, it will be a one-owner car!
Fortunately after more than 20 years I have the opportunity to buy another one and confirm that the 928 is, in fact, my dream car!
And with all the problems it can have and all the headaches it can give, I won’t sell it for any money, it will be for my son, his son, etc!

Regards
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Originally Posted by Rob Edwards
Apologies first for this is a bit of a thread creep, since I was not even close to being the original owner, but I have a pretty good picture of what the first 10 years were like, from the service records. And honestly, it doesn't paint a very pretty picture... Here's a spreadsheet from the first 10 years of what I would consider non-routine maintenance (though there's a TB or 2 in there somewhere.) It reads like a who's who of known 928 weaknesses...

Code:
Date	mileage	Notes
6/16/1990		Car delivery date
		
4/15/1991	6124	A/C not cold. 
		replaced o-ring 928-573-637-03 for comp/evaporator hose
		evacuate and charged A/C system- 4 lbs fR-12
		replaced o-rings for rear pipes 928-573-637-02
		replaced o-rings for rear pressure pipes 928-573-636-02
		 
		
7/15/1991	7719	timing belt light comes on- cause #11
		adjusted cam belt -2.1 hours
		rubber bumper for gas door missing, cut new piece to fit and install
		
11/22/1991	11532	Shifter loose- R&R protective plate
		R&R exhaust system
		R&R angular joint and adjust shift linkage
		
2/25/1992	15376	15K mile service
		rear wiper not engaged into drive. 
		
5/5/1992	18215	A/C not working. Checked cold performance of A/C
		labor under warranty = 114
		R&R A/C temp ('freeze) switch 928-613-133-00
		R&R A/C line 928-573-636-02
		`
		left rear backup light inoperable- installed N-017-732-2 bulb 
		padding on right door loose. Reglued leather to panel
		
4/14/1993	27686	brake pad warning light on- replaced front pads and rotors
		CD changer not working- removed and replaced CD-player 928-645-019-AX
		
8/16/1993	30258	replaced cracking cam belt 928-105-157-50 timing belt
		
9/13/1993	30693	Clutch dropped to floor- replaced flexible portion of clutch slave hose 928-423-077-07 (NOT the blue hose)
		
6/9/1994	38869	running on fwy, temp went to hot. Replaced t-stat 928-106-129-17
		crank rod for cooling flaps broken- wired flaps open, ordered part. 
		
6/14/1994	38916	engine cooling fan won't shut off unless hood is opened - replaced temp switch in top of intake plenum at rear  928-606-217-00
		replaced cooling vent flaps crank 928-575-053-00 air vent
		
9/16/1994	41287	left mirror glass fell out of housing- reinstalled
		
10/25/1994	42712	replace power steering hose 928-347-445-05 reservoir to pump
		replaced oil pan gasket 928-101-207-00
		replaced valve cover/cam cover gaskets 928-105-215-00 x 6 
		928-104-447-09 valve cover x2 
		
3/15/1995	47005	enigne protective plate mounting broken- repaired and reinstalled
		
4/12/1995	47732	replace right door lock cylinder 928-537-908-02
		replace right door lock servo 928-624-211-00
		lock har (?) 928-612-930-00
		Right door mirror won't stay in position- resinstalled mirror
		tire pressure monitor keeps coming on- replaced pressure warning control unit
		(warranty price of unit 928-618-150-01 Air-RDK = $998.25)
		
5/17/1995	47806	car dies and stalls rolling to stop with clutch in. Dx'ed but battery low- replaced battery
		A/C inoperable. Serviced A/C
		
7/18/1995	49085	car stopped running on freeway, towed in
		diagnosed and replaced 02 control unit 928-618-123-13 LH controller
		
9/25/1995	49551	Smog due to change of ownership
		
10/30/1995	50267	evac and recharge A/C
		2 service valves  115-832-00-85
		removed broken check valve
		replaced clutch slave cylinder 928-116-237-22
		
5/5/1997	59670	evac and recharge A/C
		2 service valves  115-832-00-85
		replaced A/C suction hose line at compressor 928-573-098-08
		
		replaced clutch
		
9/15/1997	62376	replaced hood release cable 928-511-037-04
		
12/3/1997	63818	replaced blower series resistor 928-616-101-00
		replaced engine oil cooler 928-107-212-00
		
4/28/1998	65629	engine running rough- MAF was shorted. Replaced it and rechecked.
		
6/30/1998	66343	engine overheats- replaced WP, T-stat, heater control valve, flushed cooling system replaced temperature sensor
		coolant
		rubber o-ring 999-701-632-40
		rebuilt waterpump 928-106-915-X
		thermostat 928-106-129-17
		engine temp sensor driver's side of coolant crossover 928-606-201-03
		driver's side seat memory switch 928-613-235-00-01C 
		heater valve 928-574-573-03
		replaced passenger side seat set switch #1
		replaced A/C compressoe and O-rings, added dye and charged system
		999-707-247-40 o-ring x2
		999-707-251-40 o ring x4
		999-707-250-40 oring x2
		UD24774 schrader valves x 4
		3 lbs freon @ 39 a pound
		900-123-149-70 seal ring
		999-707-251-40 o ring x4
		928-126-11-X A/C compressor
		928-613-235-00-01C switch
		
		replaced radiator
		928-106-023-20 radiator
		928-106-444-01 radiator drain plug
		
		
12/23/1998	68872	tranny will not release reverse
		replaced shift linkage coupler (AKA angular joint)
		shifter 928-424-005-01 (front shifter ball cup)
		
9/13/1999	74751	A/C fan only working on high- blower resistor on order (was replaced at 63818 miles in 12/97….)
		Dash light for trunk lid comes on over bumps - repaired latch, cleaned contacts
		replaced rear shocks 928-333-051-16 x 2
		rear wiper inoperable. Parts on order
		
10/26/1999	75669	Blower works only on high- replaced blower resistor and wiper am linkage
		replaced blower resistor (AKA) A/C thermo switch 928-616-101-00 (was replaced at 63818 miles on 12/3/97)
		replaced wiper arm linkage\mounting 928-628-309-03
		problem: intermittent loss of power: traced to possible DME control unit
		
11/15/1999	76205	Complaint of loss of power- bad temp sensors caused relay to go bad- replaced both sensors and relay
		ignition relay 928-618-175-00 (on bottom of LH/EZK cluster)
		cylinder temperature sensors x2 928-606-155-02
		total plus sales tax 515.99
		
3/23/2000	78759	
		R&R master cylinder reservoir, checked switch (was ok), cause of warning light coming on. Possible wire or control unit?
		
8/25/2000	81993	engine stalls when driving- starts but won't idle
		replaced cylinder temp sensors for ignition circuit 928-606-155-00 x 2
		replaced sealing rings N-013-812-5
That doesn't surprise me a bit.
I have all the paperwork on my '87 S4 and to my surprise the original owner's phone number listed was still good. I talked with him briefly and he said all good things about his first 4 years with the car. Nice to know anyways.

I also speak to the original owner of my '95 540i/6 who owned it until I have had it for the last few years. He kept it extremely nice and I appreciate that...
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I made a reply to this sort of question about a month ago but can't find it now.

My wife and I purchased our 928S4 in Stutgart in January 1987 as we celebrated our 25th wedding anniversary. We still have it as we approach our fiftieth anniversary next year. Seventy six years old. Wish I could have gotten my daddy to buy me the car when I was a graduate from high school like one of the other fellows in this thread but my dad never made more than $5000 in his life and I had to wait until I was an aerospace engineer for 27 years.

Used the car for a ski vacation in St. Anton, Austria, then returned it to Stutgart where they put the cat on and shipped it to the US. Picked it up in Connecticut a month later.

Used it as a daily driver until 1997 when we retired and moved to Wyoming which is more kind to older folks (no crazy taxes). We now use it as a warm weather car (generally from June through November).

The car is actually pretty good in snow with the 50-50 weight distribution and when we skied in New England we never had a problem getting around Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont. However we now live in the Snowy Range thirty miles west of Laramie and are almost a mile away from state plowed roads. Our old GMC 4x4 just makes more sense.

My recollection of difficulties as follows:

Very poor dealership that eventually went out of business about two years into our ownership.
Replaced a speaker ring (plastic ring that screws onto the speaker) about two or three months into ownership.
Replaced clutch actuator cable about one year into ownership
Replaced clutch actuator cable again about two years into ownership (probably poor dealer mechanic on first)
Replaced brake pads
Caught the dealership using the car to clown around when in for service; went out of business shortly thereafter.
Replaced alternator about three years into ownership. Used a foreign car repair shop. Quite satisfied.
Replaced tb about four years into ownership - went well beyond recommended mileage - lucked out.
Replaced cracked windshield - pitted and finally cracked
Replaced brake pads
Replaced water pump shortly thereafter
Replaced water pump again about three years later along with tb
Replaced clutch shortly thereafter
Repaired radiator tanks when first arrived in Wyoming
Replaced starter motor about one year into Wyoming
Replaced hot cable shortly thereafter (possibly owing to mistake when starter was replaced)
Replaced one driving light (corrosion)
Replaced brakes
Replaced radio
Re-upholstered front seats roughly two years ago - badly worn
Got tee-boned by an idiot - rear drivers side quarter panel
Body work and total auto repaint plus windshield replacement
Replaced a lot of wiring due to rodent problems - lots of mice in Wyoming
Replaced tb
Replaced main engine brain - ouch
Replaced fan computer that was apparently removed by upholsterer but may have been defective as I was having overheat problems previously. - car was laid up for two years - - very slow retired body man and mechanic but he did great work

At this time I'm close to putting the car up for the winter and expect to do (or maybe have done in the spring) the following things:
Fix AC and heater
Replace coolant level gauge (in tank)
Replace accelerator cable
Redo instrument pod lights and stuff
Bunch of other minor stuff
Probably replace all brake pads and front rotors

I love this car and it is sure to outlive me. My son or daughter will probably inherit it.
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Also replaced the steering rack twice; first time about three years into ownership; the second time about six years.
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Originally Posted by R.Pires
Then, looking at the car in exhibition I remember thinking, “What the hell is that strange Porsche?”
It was no less than a beautiful 1984 928S in silver with a black full leather interior!
When I was looking for a 928S, that was my ideal color combination. If in the same shoes, I'm sure I would have had a difficult time resisting as well!

Thanks for sharing the stories and accounts so far.
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Not quite firsthand, but a friends father had a new one in about '82 or '83. He was very disapointed in it as he had sent it back several time trying to get the oil pan to not leak. Seems like a minor thing from here, but I guess if you had paid big $ for a new car you would expect zero leaks.


Quick Reply: Anyone have experiences after buying a *Brand New* 928? ('79 in '79 etc.)



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