Innovate Install Thread
06-21-2011, 01:05 AM
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And there is the real problem.........."just a little more". Keep the setup simple and the tune conservative and unless you have a mechanical faliure and can catch it on time, this will not happen.
When the HG went on my SC'd '85 (failed injector) a WB O2 or a a fuel pressure gauge would have done little good to me.
I had several factory boosted cars in my past and never had any issues with the factory tunning and the A/F ratio destroying a good running engine. When people start taking the safety factor out is when things can get dicey.
When the HG went on my SC'd '85 (failed injector) a WB O2 or a a fuel pressure gauge would have done little good to me.
I had several factory boosted cars in my past and never had any issues with the factory tunning and the A/F ratio destroying a good running engine. When people start taking the safety factor out is when things can get dicey.
Is a 928 a ODBII car?
06-21-2011, 08:47 AM
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OBD-II wasn't mandated until 1996.
I may have been rolling the dice, but I didn't grenade my engine. At the time of purchase and install, there wasn't too much chatter about the need for gauges and tuning.
All I kept hearing was how the engine needed to be in good shape. That's why I replaced every single electronic sensor, every rubber seal/hose/o-ring, water pump, tensioner, plugs, wires, coils, rotors, caps, etc.
Between the prep and post install work, the initail SC expendeture pretty much doubled. I know you have to pay to play, but I have to pray to stay under the radar.
I may have been rolling the dice, but I didn't grenade my engine. At the time of purchase and install, there wasn't too much chatter about the need for gauges and tuning.
All I kept hearing was how the engine needed to be in good shape. That's why I replaced every single electronic sensor, every rubber seal/hose/o-ring, water pump, tensioner, plugs, wires, coils, rotors, caps, etc.
Between the prep and post install work, the initail SC expendeture pretty much doubled. I know you have to pay to play, but I have to pray to stay under the radar.
06-21-2011, 08:54 AM
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Kurt, was there any delay in receiving your shipment.
I've heard that Innovate is behind in filling their WB02 sensor orders. I ordered an Innovate MTX-L gauge - sensor - controller from DIYAutotune to run with an MS II system, and am curious if it will show up with the other items I ordered or if it will be back ordered.
I've heard that Innovate is behind in filling their WB02 sensor orders. I ordered an Innovate MTX-L gauge - sensor - controller from DIYAutotune to run with an MS II system, and am curious if it will show up with the other items I ordered or if it will be back ordered.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss...refix=innovate
06-21-2011, 10:59 AM
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And there is the real problem.........."just a little more". Keep the setup simple and the tune conservative and unless you have a mechanical faliure and can catch it on time, this will not happen.
When the HG went on my SC'd '85 (failed injector) a WB O2 or a a fuel pressure gauge would have done little good to me.
I had several factory boosted cars in my past and never had any issues with the factory tunning and the A/F ratio destroying a good running engine. When people start taking the safety factor out is when things can get dicey.
When the HG went on my SC'd '85 (failed injector) a WB O2 or a a fuel pressure gauge would have done little good to me.
I had several factory boosted cars in my past and never had any issues with the factory tunning and the A/F ratio destroying a good running engine. When people start taking the safety factor out is when things can get dicey.
Prior to WBo2 all OEM's would tune using EGT's (actuall is probably still used) to find peak temps... then reading these results, know where peak cylinder pressures are... how to adjust timing and fuel to suit... (as is and has been forever used in combustion cycle aircraft... all part of LOP or ROP operation)...
OEM's would then adjust a margin into the tune... ie purposefully disconect or fail sensors to see that warranties can be limited when components fail... as they inevitably do.... (without expecting a customer to moniter an impending failure)
OP if you have a sharktuner permanently installed, then all the wiring should exist to 'plug and play' the innovate WBo2...
06-21-2011, 02:35 PM
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Subscribed. Will be hooking up an Innovate WBO2 myself very soon.
06-21-2011, 03:16 PM
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Anyway, Kurt, have fun with the install. I've had Innovate and TechEdge. Both have worked fine. I even left my TechEdge installed after selling my supercharger. Although the mixture is essentially rock stable with stock ECUs and stock motor now (excepting X-pipe), the wideband has come in handy a few times when the car did some freaky things at some throttle openings and I could see that is was going full-lean when it shouldn't. Fixed the throttle switch. Would have been hard to track down the issue w/o the wideband.
06-21-2011, 03:43 PM
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The MAF in my car was a little over 3 full points off compared to a fresh rebuilt one. (WOT map)
That in itself is enough to cause damage under boost.
That in itself is enough to cause damage under boost.
Yes, one big variable is the MAF calibration. Unless you require a freshly calibrated MAF as part of the SC install, there is going to be a lot of variation in the way the fuel mapping works just from MAF aging.
Anyway, Kurt, have fun with the install. I've had Innovate and TechEdge. Both have worked fine. I even left my TechEdge installed after selling my supercharger. Although the mixture is essentially rock stable with stock ECUs and stock motor now (excepting X-pipe), the wideband has come in handy a few times when the car did some freaky things at some throttle openings and I could see that is was going full-lean when it shouldn't. Fixed the throttle switch. Would have been hard to track down the issue w/o the wideband.
Anyway, Kurt, have fun with the install. I've had Innovate and TechEdge. Both have worked fine. I even left my TechEdge installed after selling my supercharger. Although the mixture is essentially rock stable with stock ECUs and stock motor now (excepting X-pipe), the wideband has come in handy a few times when the car did some freaky things at some throttle openings and I could see that is was going full-lean when it shouldn't. Fixed the throttle switch. Would have been hard to track down the issue w/o the wideband.
06-21-2011, 04:40 PM
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http://store.42draftdesigns.com/VDO-Gauges_c_11.html
06-21-2011, 05:34 PM
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I'd say you weren't looking hard enough. However I do not see one for air/fuel.
http://store.42draftdesigns.com/VDO-Gauges_c_11.html
http://store.42draftdesigns.com/VDO-Gauges_c_11.html
I forgot to mention I had the MAF rebuilt as part of the prep (well actually after SITM last year)... should be good there.
In my usual fashion, I'll post lots of picures of the install process.
06-23-2011, 09:59 AM
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Yes, a WBo2 would have shown an extreme lean condition with a failed injector....
Prior to WBo2 all OEM's would tune using EGT's (actuall is probably still used) to find peak temps... then reading these results, know where peak cylinder pressures are... how to adjust timing and fuel to suit... (as is and has been forever used in combustion cycle aircraft... all part of LOP or ROP operation)...
OEM's would then adjust a margin into the tune... ie purposefully disconect or fail sensors to see that warranties can be limited when components fail... as they inevitably do.... (without expecting a customer to moniter an impending failure)
OP if you have a sharktuner permanently installed, then all the wiring should exist to 'plug and play' the innovate WBo2...
Prior to WBo2 all OEM's would tune using EGT's (actuall is probably still used) to find peak temps... then reading these results, know where peak cylinder pressures are... how to adjust timing and fuel to suit... (as is and has been forever used in combustion cycle aircraft... all part of LOP or ROP operation)...
OEM's would then adjust a margin into the tune... ie purposefully disconect or fail sensors to see that warranties can be limited when components fail... as they inevitably do.... (without expecting a customer to moniter an impending failure)
OP if you have a sharktuner permanently installed, then all the wiring should exist to 'plug and play' the innovate WBo2...
When you have 7 other cylinders running right, one running lean will have little effect on the total volume. Maybe the S4s do but the early 32Vs don't have EGT probes. You would also have to look at these gauges all the time. How realistic is that? Keeping a healty safety margin is the only practical way to go, anything less is a gamble.
06-23-2011, 10:03 AM
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I don't follow. What does this has to do with a WBO2?
06-23-2011, 10:49 AM
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