jpitman2

I once saw a pic of a Sony part in a bag - PK or self tapping screw for a game system (PS/2?). $69.
jp 83 Euro S AT 53k

GlennD

Sometimes I wonder where Porsche is going when looking at their parts prices for the older cars.
In my opinion, when folks (such as the people on this forum) restore the older Porsche cars, it has to help their overall sales. See an old 928, find you can not buy one anymore but the desire for a Porsche is still there, so the person ends up at the dealer.
Given the higher prices that seem to be constantly coming, it is becoming more of a challenge to restore these older cars. The cam gears are an example ($600+ each here in Canada from the dealer), the water pump is another prime example ($1,200 here in Canada). If it was not for the excellent sponsors (928 International, 928sRus, 928 Specialists, and the many others), I would be considering parting my car out. It is just too expensive to purchase parts directly from Porsche to restore these engineering feats.
Here is another example: out of curiosity I asked the dealer to price out a Targa top for the 87 I have. I was quoted $30,000 Cdn (one left in Germany) ... the fellow behind the desk was even "surprised".

In my opinion, it is due to the current Porsche pricing philosophy that this whole thread exists ... folks having disbelief on the superseded part-number and with the "improved" pricing.

I can only hope that Porsche starts helping us folks (those restoring the cars) but having slightly more reasonable pricing on parts. After all, as I stated earlier, I believe they benefit from this due to the excitement these restored cars generate with future-Porsche owners. If one of our sponsors can supply an excellent quality waterpump for approx $275, why does Porsche require $1,200 for one without the same features (e.g. plastic impeller)?

Soapbox put away ... have a Happy New Year all. And thanks again to all the sponsors (on whom I have leaned on for excellent parts pricing and support) and to the many helpful folks on this forum.

Glenn

User 4221

Not to derail, but check out Dan here: http://www.carsincnj.com/

He can help you with your Targa top

hacker-pschorr

Simple answer, Porsche would rather forget about the 928/924/944 portion of their history. If every front engine, water cooled Porsche suddenly fell off the face of the earth (except the new VW SUV and Panamera) I doubt they would notice.
Cam gears are only the beginning. The fact that much needed fuel lines are NLA is a bigger PIA. Sure if a cam gear fails you might lose some valves. When a fuel line breaks......hopefully your 928 isn't in the garage at the time.

Jim M.

I disagree, Porsche just announced that "Porsche Classic" was getting responsibility for all former models up to the 993. They also announced that they will support all vehicles in the Porsche Classic catagory. Does that mean that all parts will be available all the time . . . NO! It does mean they will try to supply parts where ever possible. The fuel lines are a good example. Because of ethenol they have had to redesign all fuel components. All of their fuel lines, on the current models, are now aluminum with a new ethenol appropiate fuel hose. Like the improved cam gears, the fuel lines may eventually come for the 928 but we need to wait.

Our savior are the great vendors we have, not waiting on Porsche, but going out and finding alteratives. Just look at what we have now; alternate fuel hoses, motor mounts, water pumps, engine wiring harnesses, fuel injectors, HVAC diaphrams, spare tire covers, and and on. AND hopefully soon many more.

There pricing is another area that is understandable, even if I think the prices are absurdly high. These are for small runs of limited parts. Especially when they spend engineering time to improve a part for a model out of production.

hacker-pschorr

Then we will continue to disagree.
My father always said, if someone quotes you an outrageous price for something, they don't really want your business.

NLA parts re-engineered for my fathers Ferrari are more reasonable than some of the P-car prices. So it's not an issue with production numbers since there are far fewer 355's running around than 928's.

So yes, Porsche will gladly open up their classic division for 928 owners willing to spend as much on some new part as a used 928 sells for.
I don't call that progress.

Agreed on our vendors, they are the present & future of 928 ownership.

docmirror

Ferrari is doing the same thing. They are moving all their older parts inventory to a separate system, and calling it Ferrari classic. From what I've seen so far, the availability is exactly the same, but the prices went up about 25-50%. So, thanks Porsche and Ferrari for 'helping' us out.

They really don't give a wet dribbly spit if we fall of the face of the earth. Their parts prices for the older cars barely supports the infrastructure to keep them around. More and more stuff that has a 928 prefix part number on it will go NLA as they run stock down, and don't replenish.

ROG100

Porsche Classic is a part of Porsche where they are responsible for parts on cars older than 1998.
Their responsibility is to decide, on market demand, if a part that is NLA is worth manufacturing, and if so does it need enhancing. AFAIK 928 parts have been under the Classics umbrella for quite some time.
The latest series of car to move to Classics is the 993 as Jim points out.

When I find a part that is NLA I order as many as I see economically feasable to do so.
Sometimes this results in getting a couple more but mostly nothing. My forlorne hope is that by indicating a demand the part may be remade.

In the case of the cam gears demand was high and also coupled with the premature wear failure. This was probably fed back to Porsche from techs at the dealerships. As most of the gears I sold (and others) came direct from the OEM any feedback was not getting back to Porsche.

danglerb

Its all the brands dumping support for older models. Mechanic I use for our Lincoln spent the last week trying to locate a replacement hub for a 1997 F250 pickup. All his dealer contacts say NLA and no old stock.

It took 5 days for the fuel pump controller for our 1999 Lincoln to show up at the dealer, and its a module used in almost the whole Ford line from 95 to 2005. (PWM drive for pump). Dealers don't want to stock parts and neither does Corporate distribution.

H2

It'll be a sad time when one might be able to part out a perfectly good 928 and obtain more money than by selling the entire car outright. That may become tempting to more people as time goes by but, personally, I'd hate to ship fenders and stuff like that and my wife has already informed me of what appendage gets removed if I store a parts car in the back yard.

I guess 928 International would know best if the used parts market has much of a future. The problem is that the NLA parts in highest demand usually are high wear parts that people may be reluctant to use (as used parts)...such as cam gears, water pumps, hoses, etc.

In a rational way, this all makes Corvettes sound tempting...except that I detest their looks...and their feel...and their handling...and that cult...

H2

blown 87

Never owned a late model corvette I take it.

And it is a good thing that there is no Porsche cult.

dr bob

The difference between a cult and a religion is how many members there are, and how many other folks the beliefs manage to offend. Christianity was a cult for quite a while, until the member numbers and the money started to get large. So the 928 group is a cult, and the Corvette folks are closer to a 'religion', best as I can tell. The Good News (see "Universal Life Church"...) is that members of car-based religions often call upon the worshipped deities of more conventional religions to carry out curses placed upon the worshipped objects of their particular car-based cult. One should never even accidentally call upon a Corvette god to rain hell and damnation upon a recalcitrant 928; no good will come to the 928, and the corvette gods seem to want nothing to do with our objects d'admiration.

pjg

Just wanted to say thanks to Gregg K for posting the cam sprocket question over at the practical machinist forum, one of the members was a prior 928 owner and had a P9201 tension tool for sale with calibration bar. He gave me a deal that I could not refuse.

Vilhuer

There's some serious misinformation at machinist forum thread about how 928 cambelt adjustment is done and C5/C6 transaxle usage in 928.

hacker-pschorr

Link?