Switched power to radio problem in an 87
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On a buddy's 87 I found his non-working radio was due to no ignition switched power at the radio. This power comes from the ignition switch through a noise suppressor directly to the radio. I found that the wire from the ignition to the suppressor was shorted to a bracket under the console near the suppressor- somebody had pinched the wire under the bracket when screwing it back on. I suppose I could wire this into another switched power source, but I'd like to restore the source from the ignition but it's dead. I've highlighted it in RED in this small section of the wiring diagram. I don't quite understand how to read the switch paths back to the power source. I see some 30s - those are not fused, of course. So, did this short cause another short in an unfused power source to the ignition switch? Everything else seems to work fine. Help!
BTW, the coordinates that the diagram says this wire goes to are wrong, they are H65, A66, M62 (60s not 40s), but I'm not interested in that. I want to know the power source.
BTW, the coordinates that the diagram says this wire goes to are wrong, they are H65, A66, M62 (60s not 40s), but I'm not interested in that. I want to know the power source.
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Bill have a look under the side console next to the passenger side seat IIRC there is a supressor in there
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My radio is wired into the interior lighting circuit (fuse 23? 24? something like that).
Is that correct? I pull the lighting fuse when working on the car with the doors open for extended periods, and I'd prefer not to reprogram the HU every time.
Is that correct? I pull the lighting fuse when working on the car with the doors open for extended periods, and I'd prefer not to reprogram the HU every time.
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Stan, you are reading too fast. I already traced it to the suppressor. The problem is the wire going from the ignition switch to the suppressor. It was shorted and is now dead.
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Hey, wait a minute - I thought I was the one that needed help here!
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OK sorry Bill , to answer your question i dont how to read the switch positions maybe Alan does. in the meantime,
might you have another ig switch to test as the switch could have internally melted.
might you have another ig switch to test as the switch could have internally melted.
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Thanks Bill. It's supposed to be #22 on an '89 as well. Some remnants of the original wiring are still there, so I will see if I can find the proper circuit and re-wire. I had go back in anyway to re-ground the radio since I have a mild alternator whine.
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Bill,
The stereo head unit's +12V (Ignition) wire is a signal wire only, so very little current will flow through that wire. That's why there is no fuse on that wire (directly from the battery to the ignition switch). The radio turns on when it senses power from the ignition switch.
The radio gets power from the +12V (Constant) wire.
The stereo head unit's +12V (Ignition) wire is a signal wire only, so very little current will flow through that wire. That's why there is no fuse on that wire (directly from the battery to the ignition switch). The radio turns on when it senses power from the ignition switch.
The radio gets power from the +12V (Constant) wire.
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Bill,
The stereo head unit's +12V (Ignition) wire is a signal wire only, so very little current will flow through that wire. That's why there is no fuse on that wire (directly from the battery to the ignition switch). The radio turns on when it senses power from the ignition switch.
The radio gets power from the +12V (Constant) wire.
The stereo head unit's +12V (Ignition) wire is a signal wire only, so very little current will flow through that wire. That's why there is no fuse on that wire (directly from the battery to the ignition switch). The radio turns on when it senses power from the ignition switch.
The radio gets power from the +12V (Constant) wire.
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That will work, however it won't work like it was designed.
The ignition switch has a special function of being able to turn on the stereo without other accessories being on at the same time. If you turn the key only slightly, the stereo powers on, further turning the key and the other accessories power on too.
The ignition switch has a special function of being able to turn on the stereo without other accessories being on at the same time. If you turn the key only slightly, the stereo powers on, further turning the key and the other accessories power on too.
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Borland: Oh, yes, thanks for reminding me about that. Argh. That particular output of the ignition switch goes just to the radio. Well, some other 15 bus output will have to do for now.
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That will work, however it won't work like it was designed.
The ignition switch has a special function of being able to turn on the stereo without other accessories being on at the same time. If you turn the key only slightly, the stereo powers on, further turning the key and the other accessories power on too.
The ignition switch has a special function of being able to turn on the stereo without other accessories being on at the same time. If you turn the key only slightly, the stereo powers on, further turning the key and the other accessories power on too.
Bill an alternate for R is X if you need to swap temporarily.
I'd suspect that the wire from R is more likely burned out somewhere between switch & supressor rather than the switch coontact itself - unless you tested the switch output directly?
All the power for the switch comes from the ganged permanent 30 connections to the battery - easy to test at the switch with a probe on R. With switch out checking the resistance between R & 30 may tell you if you have a problem but this could be a confusing measurement too... The 30 supply to the switch is fine - if that fails you have nothing anywhere...
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Bill,
The stereo head unit's +12V (Ignition) wire is a signal wire only, so very little current will flow through that wire. That's why there is no fuse on that wire (directly from the battery to the ignition switch). The radio turns on when it senses power from the ignition switch.
The radio gets power from the +12V (Constant) wire.
The stereo head unit's +12V (Ignition) wire is a signal wire only, so very little current will flow through that wire. That's why there is no fuse on that wire (directly from the battery to the ignition switch). The radio turns on when it senses power from the ignition switch.
The radio gets power from the +12V (Constant) wire.