Notices
928 Forum 1978-1995
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: 928 Specialists

One of the best articles I have read

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 08-12-2024, 03:31 AM
  #1  
8cyl
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
8cyl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2022
Posts: 239
Received 140 Likes on 82 Posts
Default One of the best articles I have read

I stumbled upon one of the best articles I have read I think, an owner's opinion piece on the 928. Not surprisingly we probably all agree with what is said, but this person really hits the nail on the head in areas where only an owner of a good proper example of these cars can understand. In particular the comparisons to the BMW, Mercedes and Jaguar of the time were of a disservice to the 928. I have driven these cars, and although they are nice, they were never on the same level as the 928.

Touching on the 928's 'confused' identity is something I find really interesting as well, because it is what I thought when I first got to know my own car. This probably applies more to the early cars instead of the later cars, but the 928 S is too noisy and rough to be a true grand tourer but also too big and heavy still to be a true sports car. It's more of a personal super coupe or something else entirely. And I love that uniqueness about it!

https://www.autologymotors.com/blog/...he-porsche-928

Last edited by 8cyl; 08-12-2024 at 03:55 AM.
The following 13 users liked this post by 8cyl:
928NOOBIE (08-12-2024), Babado (08-13-2024), By-Tor (Yesterday), Chester89 (Today), davek9 (08-12-2024), DC1960 (Yesterday), drkekar (08-13-2024), JJ928S4 (08-12-2024), Jon B. (08-12-2024), Kiln_Red (08-12-2024), linderpat (08-12-2024), monkez (08-13-2024), WestInc (08-12-2024) and 8 others liked this post. (Show less...)
Old 08-12-2024, 03:55 AM
  #2  
928 GT R
Rennlist Member
 
928 GT R's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Back 0 Beyond
Posts: 6,119
Received 5,448 Likes on 2,090 Posts
Default

Excellent!

Thanks for sharing...
The following users liked this post:
8cyl (08-12-2024)
Old 08-12-2024, 06:30 AM
  #3  
Darklands
Rennlist Member
 
Darklands's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Near Hamburg-Germany
Posts: 2,700
Received 1,169 Likes on 630 Posts
Default

What a beauty with the phone dials...

The following 7 users liked this post by Darklands:
8cyl (08-12-2024), 9two8 (08-12-2024), Chester89 (Today), davek9 (08-12-2024), drkekar (08-13-2024), Jon B. (08-12-2024), Kiln_Red (08-12-2024) and 2 others liked this post. (Show less...)
Old 08-12-2024, 06:36 AM
  #4  
Constantine
Rennlist Member
 
Constantine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 2,913
Received 221 Likes on 130 Posts
Default

Great article and interesting take on the 928, one I agree with over other articles.

The 928 shown is lustful, I always found the early S version in Euro spec to probably be the best overall in looks and performance. Love the colors of the body and wheels, and the stance as shown is perfect.

Thanks for sharing.

The following users liked this post:
8cyl (08-12-2024)
Old 08-12-2024, 10:14 AM
  #5  
Shirah
Rennlist Member
 
Shirah's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2022
Location: Florida
Posts: 216
Received 59 Likes on 39 Posts
Default

Yes, thanks for sharing.
The following users liked this post:
8cyl (08-12-2024)
Old 08-12-2024, 11:09 AM
  #6  
Jim M.
Rennlist Member
 
Jim M.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: DFW Texas
Posts: 5,009
Received 853 Likes on 442 Posts
Default

Great article and very accurate. I've always been a fan of the S4's but that Euro is stunning.
The following users liked this post:
8cyl (08-12-2024)
Old 08-12-2024, 11:51 AM
  #7  
linderpat
Rennlist Member
 
linderpat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 14,477
Received 2,385 Likes on 1,294 Posts
Default

Outstanding article. One of the best I’ve read too. Thanks for sharing!
The following users liked this post:
8cyl (08-12-2024)
Old 08-12-2024, 12:29 PM
  #8  
Jon B.
Three Wheelin'
 
Jon B.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: NC
Posts: 1,434
Received 37 Likes on 19 Posts
Default

Great article, and I think the author nailed it. I have never really considered the 928 to be big or particularly heavy, especially when viewed with cars from today. The biggest issue I tended to see/feel was the lack of tire they gave the car in the later models. If I ever have the opportunity to take a drive in a CS I would assume that it's the "Carrera" feeling the author pointed to. Shame they didn't really make very many of them!
The following users liked this post:
8cyl (08-12-2024)
Old 08-12-2024, 12:30 PM
  #9  
Kiln_Red
Rennlist Member
 
Kiln_Red's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Bowling Green, KY
Posts: 1,600
Received 275 Likes on 146 Posts
Default

The article sort of rhymes my sentiments, and why I prefer the MY80-86 928S. Whether you think they are the best iteration or not is, of course, subjective.

The fact that it was during those model years that the 928 stood its tallest against the competition can't be denied.
The following users liked this post:
8cyl (08-12-2024)
Old 08-12-2024, 05:53 PM
  #10  
WestInc
Rennlist Member
 
WestInc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Sweden
Posts: 549
Received 479 Likes on 223 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Darklands
What a beauty with the phone dials...

Great article and spot on! Superb colour and overall looks. If I were to have an original car and not my Strosek, that would be the one for sure...
The following users liked this post:
8cyl (08-12-2024)
Old 08-12-2024, 06:05 PM
  #11  
Petza914
RL Community Team
Rennlist Member
 
Petza914's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Clemson, SC
Posts: 26,003
Received 6,592 Likes on 4,190 Posts
Default

Nice review.

Love my 84 Euro S as a sporty grand tourer and my daily driver. The extra 80 HP over the other variants of the time make a huge difference in overall performance and sporty feel. Wish it was a manual as they're more fun to drive with the extra involvement and holding them in gears, but I have 5 other manuals in the stable so I'm ok with it.



Last edited by Petza914; 08-12-2024 at 06:07 PM.
The following 3 users liked this post by Petza914:
8cyl (08-12-2024), Chester89 (Today), WestInc (08-13-2024)
Old 08-12-2024, 07:16 PM
  #12  
Rob Edwards
Archive Gatekeeper
Rennlist Member
 
Rob Edwards's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Irvine, CA
Posts: 17,561
Received 2,755 Likes on 1,337 Posts
Default

Hard to beat an OB petrol car in a heavily oversaturated photo- great vibes.
The following 2 users liked this post by Rob Edwards:
hernanca (08-12-2024), WestInc (08-13-2024)
Old 08-12-2024, 07:44 PM
  #13  
icsamerica
Burning Brakes
 
icsamerica's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: New York City
Posts: 805
Received 285 Likes on 162 Posts
Default

Interesting article but it reads like a adolescent's love letter that's trying to project something that only exists in their own head.

The 928 was not misunderstood. It was neglected, underdeveloped and mis-positioned in the market place. Early on, Porsche mis-read the market badly... and tried everything from advertising campaigns that were feminine and glamourous to intonating a racing pedigree that was not really there.

In order to understand where the market was at the time you only need to look at other successful GT's in period. Specifically the Jaguar XJS and the Mercedes R107, both outsold the 928 significantly. Jag got a few things right, Sublime ride, good enough handling and the and Silky smooth exotic V12. That's the traditionally GT formula, tried and true and it has not changed. By contrast, the early 928's power was underwhelming, the ride was course and the cabin was noisy. These facts remained as the 928 was always playing catch-up. Early on Porsche was trying to play in a new segment, the practical exotic GT by for broad appeal. History and the market have spoken, it didn't work out.

Last edited by icsamerica; 08-12-2024 at 07:56 PM.
Old 08-12-2024, 10:55 PM
  #14  
8cyl
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
8cyl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2022
Posts: 239
Received 140 Likes on 82 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by icsamerica
Interesting article but it reads like a adolescent's love letter that's trying to project something that only exists in their own head.

The 928 was not misunderstood. It was neglected, underdeveloped and mis-positioned in the market place. Early on, Porsche mis-read the market badly... and tried everything from advertising campaigns that were feminine and glamourous to intonating a racing pedigree that was not really there.

In order to understand where the market was at the time you only need to look at other successful GT's in period. Specifically the Jaguar XJS and the Mercedes R107, both outsold the 928 significantly. Jag got a few things right, Sublime ride, good enough handling and the and Silky smooth exotic V12. That's the traditionally GT formula, tried and true and it has not changed. By contrast, the early 928's power was underwhelming, the ride was course and the cabin was noisy. These facts remained as the 928 was always playing catch-up. Early on Porsche was trying to play in a new segment, the practical exotic GT by for broad appeal. History and the market have spoken, it didn't work out.
​​​​​I don't think the author is trying to rewrite history but rather bring awareness to the fact that the cars weren't to blame as much as Porsche marketing was and in my personal opinion the restrictive American market. The original was very underpowered even in RoW spec, true. In Projekt 928 it is outlined that Porsche wanted the 300hp engine very early on. Development on the S started very quickly, the car was done by September 1979 and possibly earlier. They knew customers would likely expect more but took a gamble on the 4.5L anyway and got it segmented alongside the more modest BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar cars. Whereas from the S onwards the 928 was compared against the 911 Turbo, Ferrari 400 and Aston Martin V8. You are right about how much Porsche messed up their marketing over the years trying to 'catch on' with more buyers. They went back and forth.

Last edited by 8cyl; 08-12-2024 at 11:10 PM.
Old 08-13-2024, 02:57 AM
  #15  
Darklands
Rennlist Member
 
Darklands's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Near Hamburg-Germany
Posts: 2,700
Received 1,169 Likes on 630 Posts
Default

But the 928 hold the 24 hour speed record in Nardo till the year 2000?.
So it was the only reliable supercar of the 80ies. That's the difference, you can drive the 928 like it was intended back in the days, as a true Autobahn interceptor.
Show me another car who is 40 years old that is capable to drive from Hambug to Munich at full trottle.

@ICS,
can I brake bleeding a 2001 Audi S8 without an Audi test rig to modulate ABS ? We don't get it in our garage!
The following 3 users liked this post by Darklands:
928 GT R (Yesterday), Cheburator (08-13-2024), PK68 (08-13-2024)


Quick Reply: One of the best articles I have read



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 02:24 AM.