I've always liked your posts Anthony. You make good points and always keep it light as is my goal.


I get the message about lighter, smaller cars that can be thrown around and I have driven some really nice ones. And yes the 928 is a GT. Flagship can include - interior/luxury, price, top speed, 0-60, and then maybe things you can't quantify. Plus what the manufacturer says. It's a 2/2 split on the above categories, with the 928 taking interior/luxury and top speed. Price is close, but giving it to turbo, probably depending on options.


the classic ad - here they call it the ultimate expression, anyone got a clearer version

 

if people think "porsche" , they think "911"
if people think " american car" they think "mustang"
they just dont know better,
its following the mass,
in our country ,if people think "oldie" they think "vw beetle"
nothing else exists in there mind. they jump in the river like wildebeasts.

and the cheap 928 scares them like hell. so cheap???? there must be something wrong with it.
that 12000 dollar 911 with a lot more problems and leaking engine will sell ten times faster than a verry good but cheap 928.
i would never have bought me a porsche ,,i bought the 928 for the v8. also this huge engine scares people;the only thing they ask you when you drive a v8 is ,,how many miles to the gallon? this is ALWAYS the first question i get . they dont know the fun a v8 gives you ,
maby ther will be a time that our 928's are going to be verry expensive. when all 911 are junk

 

How shallow of them! Its not like you've been rumbling in driving a 455 Riviera or something!

 

Probably combination of several things:

They never sold like 911's

The cars due to their complexity generated some big bills from the Dealers for maint. At some point, the
orig owner moved on & as the cars changed hands, the downward spiral of
condition & maint. started leading to a lot of rough ones needing lots.

Also the lack of racing history. Hundreds (maybe thousands) of 911's in all forms (935 etc) ran
thousands of races with great success. 928
not so.

Makes with racing history tend to do well-
Porsche 911, 935 etc, Ferrari, Corvette et al


No racing history, seems to lower prices-

 

Corvette's from this era seem to sell for about the same as a contemporary 928

 

I Really don't think Porsche even considers the 928 as it is old tech-knowledgy to them.

Their R&D is way out there with the GT-3 Hybrid design and the 918

 

Not sure I agree. Some of the most expensive collectibles are not racers -- MB Gullwing is a good example. Race heritage add's value in one respect but the beauty of or statement of the car itself does too. Were Cuda's known for racing? I saw one go for over a million on Barett Jackson last year.

 

Well This can be said about so much and makes the argument very subjective.

My good friend owns a Ferrari F40. Great car but I wouldn't pay you $500k for it. I can have the same fun in a 911 turbo for far less.

These comparisons can go on for ever just substitute what you like. BTW my good friend does own an F40 and he also owns an original RSR and paid less for the RSR but enjoys it more. Even for an even swap i wouldn't trade you my 911T or 928 for the F40. The cash yes but not the car. I still appreciate it for what it is but not my preference.

I have driven an original RS almost bought one 20 years ago if I only had $60k at the time. Or the 904 i could have had for $12k Big ouch now. I agree with you on many points but the fact is not everyone's cup of tea is an Fcar or a 928 or a 911. There are people that pay top dollar for Triumphs and I hear the TR6 has become a $50k car now. I remember when you can buy them for $6k in mint condition. Fun car but $50k crazy to me obviously not to someone else. At least a 911 can handle. I am not a speedster fan 356, 911 or 964 variant. never understood the fascination. But as long nose 911's go the RS is a sweet ride. A very well engineered car and testament to what could be done without computers, mostly imagination and some German engineering.

My comment is based on the countless PCNA press release documents I have at home. When they break down the model line up for 1994 the turbo is clearly listed as the flagship with a base price of $99k and the 928GTS comes in second. Don't recall actual base MSRP. I also have a number of other yeasr some stating the 928 as the flagship but no turbo in the lineup. Porsche always played games with their car line, and advertising.

It is a rarity that a company would offer so many models all with similar performance numbers but at varying price ranges. They weren't stupid and didn't get where they did by not knowing their market and obviously there are a few of us that are impressed by all of them and many more that lust after a particular model.

When I owned my 944, 928 and 911turbo all at the same time I enjoyed each car for totally different reasons. But I enjoyed them all the same. I always found it interesting how completely different each model was and every time I drove them back to back I realized more how each one had it's own attributes that set them apart from not only the other models but from all other marques. I have owned many BMW's and MB amongst other cars and nothing inspires me to drive like any Porsche from the late 80's early 90's.

I think the 928 will increase in value, hell I hope it does with all my cars. I have found with the ones I have owned if you hold onto it long enough and maintain it properly you will never take a loss. Of the Porsche's i have owned the only one I will never see an even break from at a minimum is my cayenne. Although if i hold onto it long enough I might be able to sell it for what i paid for it one day (at least in adjusted dollars)

 

I'd also like to add that I've owned 5 Porsche's and actually I didn't see any difference in cost of ownership maintenance wise between the 3 928's and the 2 911's. High cost of maintenance on 928's is a wives tale created by911 people or incapable mechanics.

 

A few gullwing's were raced, they are actually down in value considerably.

The mussel car craze got so out of control and was fueled by people that had more money than they knew what to do with and other idiots following.

I second that minus the part about the 911.

 

I didn't realize they ever raced the Gullwings. Not sure they are worth what they are worth because of racing but maybe I'm wrong. Everything is down in value. It's a great time to be a buyer.

+1 on the muscle cars.

 

The Gullwings were more race car than street car. Mercedes withdrew from racing after a horrific crash.....1954-57 they only made 1,400 of them on tubular space frames with 29 being all alloy bodies. 0-60 8.8 seconds top speed 135 mph. Quite fast for it's day. 215 Hp weight about 2800 lbs. Fitted with a swing axle rear suspension similar to the Bug and Corvair with all the same issues ! funny how some cars develope a mystic a following like 914 -6 cylinder cars. Porsche only made 3,351 of them and fitted the 110 hp engine from the T (the lowest power) yet all "car guys" know about 914 sixes And of the original 3,351 , thousands of "six cylinder" 914s exist today

 

Founder of the company I work for had a 300 SL roadster, the convertible of the gullwing when it was new. There are stories with the old dude hot rodders in the shop that got beat in their milled flat head Ford rat rods, the quick street racing cars of the day. He let them take turns driving it and they all talked about how the handling was amazing. We have a video of one of the now retired guys talking about his ride in it we made for the 60th anniversary of the company.

Sadly the guy he sold it to was driving to California in it and while crossing the desert he had the front tires blow out at speed. It flipped nose over tail landing on his head and left him as a big long smear on the highway. He had lots of fast cars back in the day and said the 300 SL roadster was his favorite. Just too bad he got so conservative he couldn't justify spending money on a sports car. He drove and then was chauffeured around in a Honda mini-van the last few years of his life.

 

And why the BMW 2002 Tii is so welll-known. Best of breed...or perception thereof...

 

Love this quote from the truth about cars: