out there idea...928 "spec" racing???
07-07-2010, 02:19 PM
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I love the idea though I've already blown that budget on this car... I'd gladly put another one together for a 'spec' series. I've got an '83 5-speed that I'd gladly throw into the ring.
07-07-2010, 02:22 PM
#17
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You can do a race weekend for less than $500. I currently have a 944-Spec car (working towards my competition license) and have done at least a dozen DEs. No weekend has cost more than $500 for me.
I flat tow the car, sleep in my truck and bring a cooler with all the food and drinks I need. Many guys have huge trucks, enclosed trailers and drive to a motel; but, you don't have to make the weekend cost that much.
Toyo RA1s or Nitto NT-01s are very durable and have lasted me more than an entire season. I would rather see a 17" rim for the Spec rules, but obviously ugly stock wheels are easy and cheap. 16" wheels limit your race tire options though.
I'm working with Michael J. ("Black28" on the 'list) to build a '78 928 track car and I would love to fit the mods into a SPEC series. The other option is NASA PT (classes based on power/weight), but I would really enjoy a Spec series since spares can be shared and the cars will be equal.
The 944 guys are fantastic to run with, but I want more power!
I flat tow the car, sleep in my truck and bring a cooler with all the food and drinks I need. Many guys have huge trucks, enclosed trailers and drive to a motel; but, you don't have to make the weekend cost that much.
Toyo RA1s or Nitto NT-01s are very durable and have lasted me more than an entire season. I would rather see a 17" rim for the Spec rules, but obviously ugly stock wheels are easy and cheap. 16" wheels limit your race tire options though.
I'm working with Michael J. ("Black28" on the 'list) to build a '78 928 track car and I would love to fit the mods into a SPEC series. The other option is NASA PT (classes based on power/weight), but I would really enjoy a Spec series since spares can be shared and the cars will be equal.
The 944 guys are fantastic to run with, but I want more power!
07-07-2010, 02:31 PM
#18
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Once you start counting the dollars it's really hard. Entrance fees are $300 to $500. Tires are $1000/set and most racers will want a new set every weekend, or every other. Race oil is $75 a change plus some for topping off. Brake pads are $250 and will last 3 to 5 weekends. Then there's gas for the racer, gas for the trip, food and lodging.
Some guys are getting take-off tires and camping, sure, but it's not a cheap hobby by any measure.
I've done 20 or more DE weekends. It's a lower price point for similar excitement but the costs jump up if you want to race and be competitive when doing it. I also leverage in the vacation budget and make it enjoyable.
Some guys are getting take-off tires and camping, sure, but it's not a cheap hobby by any measure.
I've done 20 or more DE weekends. It's a lower price point for similar excitement but the costs jump up if you want to race and be competitive when doing it. I also leverage in the vacation budget and make it enjoyable.
07-07-2010, 02:39 PM
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Todays out there idea..... 928 SPEC racing...
The Goal: Fun affordable racing with a V8....a simple to build car on a modest budget. A true $5k "gut and go" racer....
The Cars: I'd say any 16V USA pre 1984 928 (automatics encouraged!!)..use the lemons racer as a template....bilstein shocks with eibach springs....brakes must be S or OB....pad-lines-fluid is free.....engines must be stock with simple oiling mods & exhaust mods (no cats-smog junk)....claim dyno sheets-weights like NASA GTS so the cars can cross class to GTS2 (14.5 power-weight).... Must use stock 928 wheels up to 245/45-16 tires all around.....
Why do it....because all the other spec classes are BORING....they all run weak engines, typically gutless 4 cylinders that sound HORRIBLE.....get out there in a V8 powered machine that handles better than the American Iron cars...but everyone races in them because of the higher level of competition.....and relative low cost of entry....
Yes I know its crazy and probably will never happen...but seriously...how many guys that run spec944 wouldn't want to run a V8 928 with much more performance (I beat all spec 944 lap times right now by a wide margin) for the same or less $$$$
The Goal: Fun affordable racing with a V8....a simple to build car on a modest budget. A true $5k "gut and go" racer....
The Cars: I'd say any 16V USA pre 1984 928 (automatics encouraged!!)..use the lemons racer as a template....bilstein shocks with eibach springs....brakes must be S or OB....pad-lines-fluid is free.....engines must be stock with simple oiling mods & exhaust mods (no cats-smog junk)....claim dyno sheets-weights like NASA GTS so the cars can cross class to GTS2 (14.5 power-weight).... Must use stock 928 wheels up to 245/45-16 tires all around.....
Why do it....because all the other spec classes are BORING....they all run weak engines, typically gutless 4 cylinders that sound HORRIBLE.....get out there in a V8 powered machine that handles better than the American Iron cars...but everyone races in them because of the higher level of competition.....and relative low cost of entry....
Yes I know its crazy and probably will never happen...but seriously...how many guys that run spec944 wouldn't want to run a V8 928 with much more performance (I beat all spec 944 lap times right now by a wide margin) for the same or less $$$$
I think there are probably plenty of early cars out there, sitting around. Might actually be easier than 944 stuff...didn't most of those cars get crushed? People don't tend to "crush" the 928 cars...except for the dismantlers....they get parked.
Aren't 245/16 tires getting hard to obtain?
07-07-2010, 03:16 PM
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I love this idea. I've been monitoring the PacNW guys for some time now as they build their track cars.
If I was to go this route, I'd likely need to give up my street 928, could only afford one or the other.
I'm always scanning CL for cheap 928s. One of these days I will snap up an old boy and get started.
If I was to go this route, I'd likely need to give up my street 928, could only afford one or the other.
I'm always scanning CL for cheap 928s. One of these days I will snap up an old boy and get started.
07-07-2010, 03:33 PM
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Why the idea to use automatics?
07-07-2010, 03:54 PM
#22
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My season costs:
12 races, nothing less than a 3rd place finish, unless a silly mechanical. (ie shifter linkage break, shifter break, brake line break, alternator break)
12 x average $350 per weekend. ( 1/2 are $260 and the other are $450 weekends)
free tires
gas, 20gals for the weekend thats $60
food . bring whats in the kitchen at home. thats $10 max
brakes $220 pagid blacks 4 weekends / 4 thats $55
oil change $80 / 4 weekends thats $20
Transmission oil $50 / 7 weekends thats $8
plugs $15 every two years thats $2
cap rotors every 3 years $100 thats $5
water pump timing belt every 4 years $250 thats $10
about $500 per weekend average. thats 6 -7 times a year. for a total outlay of cash of $3k per year. Its a lot less than my golfing buddies are spending now, or my ski buddies. (both water and snow)
12 races, nothing less than a 3rd place finish, unless a silly mechanical. (ie shifter linkage break, shifter break, brake line break, alternator break)
12 x average $350 per weekend. ( 1/2 are $260 and the other are $450 weekends)
free tires
gas, 20gals for the weekend thats $60
food . bring whats in the kitchen at home. thats $10 max
brakes $220 pagid blacks 4 weekends / 4 thats $55
oil change $80 / 4 weekends thats $20
Transmission oil $50 / 7 weekends thats $8
plugs $15 every two years thats $2
cap rotors every 3 years $100 thats $5
water pump timing belt every 4 years $250 thats $10
about $500 per weekend average. thats 6 -7 times a year. for a total outlay of cash of $3k per year. Its a lot less than my golfing buddies are spending now, or my ski buddies. (both water and snow)
Once you start counting the dollars it's really hard. Entrance fees are $300 to $500. Tires are $1000/set and most racers will want a new set every weekend, or every other. Race oil is $75 a change plus some for topping off. Brake pads are $250 and will last 3 to 5 weekends. Then there's gas for the racer, gas for the trip, food and lodging.
Some guys are getting take-off tires and camping, sure, but it's not a cheap hobby by any measure.
I've done 20 or more DE weekends. It's a lower price point for similar excitement but the costs jump up if you want to race and be competitive when doing it. I also leverage in the vacation budget and make it enjoyable.
Some guys are getting take-off tires and camping, sure, but it's not a cheap hobby by any measure.
I've done 20 or more DE weekends. It's a lower price point for similar excitement but the costs jump up if you want to race and be competitive when doing it. I also leverage in the vacation budget and make it enjoyable.
07-07-2010, 04:03 PM
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Pehaps because there are more automatics and often are less money plus the extra weight % in the rear is a benefit.... And Greg if you need a car to play with just call me I will drop of the old very brown 1980 
07-07-2010, 04:52 PM
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Seems like it would be like wearing a bright fluffy pair of pink short shorts around with a cut off pink mesh top.
Might make for an interesting day and might be fun...but in the end, everyone would think you were gay...no matter what you said.
07-07-2010, 05:01 PM
#25
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I'm just not sure I can get behind a race car with an automatic.
Seems like it would be like wearing a bright fluffy pair of pink short shorts around with a cut off pink mesh top.
Might make for an interesting day and might be fun...but in the end, everyone would think you were gay...no matter what you said.
Seems like it would be like wearing a bright fluffy pair of pink short shorts around with a cut off pink mesh top.
Might make for an interesting day and might be fun...but in the end, everyone would think you were gay...no matter what you said.
Haha, I'm right there with you. I just couldn't see myself doing it.
07-07-2010, 05:03 PM
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Having just scored a local garage space for additional storage, my space limitation has eased. I'd be in like Flynn for a west coast spec racer/HPDE thing. Just gotta find a (5-speed) car - I look terrible in pink.
07-07-2010, 05:21 PM
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Hey, both anderson and I have been there done that, and it aint that bad. I miss the shifting sounds, and engine braking into turns, but aside from that, (besides an inefficient application of power ) it was an "ok" experience. However, it would be quite dangerous in a much faster car. (we all did it in the "Estate". )
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07-07-2010, 05:28 PM
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I'm just not sure I can get behind a race car with an automatic.
Seems like it would be like wearing a bright fluffy pair of pink short shorts around with a cut off pink mesh top.
Might make for an interesting day and might be fun...but in the end, everyone would think you were gay...no matter what you said.
Seems like it would be like wearing a bright fluffy pair of pink short shorts around with a cut off pink mesh top.
Might make for an interesting day and might be fun...but in the end, everyone would think you were gay...no matter what you said.
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07-07-2010, 05:58 PM
#29
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My only point was that it can be done on a budget if you're willing to sacrifice comfort to save the money for consumables.
BTW, by flat-towing, I can use a small SUV and I get 16-18 mpg towing. Not much worse than the POS gets tooling around town.
Last edited by genikz; 07-07-2010 at 05:59 PM. Reason: sPelLLing
07-07-2010, 06:00 PM
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