1995 on eBay again and AGAIN ???
06-01-2010, 11:16 AM
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James,
Its not that I don't like low mileage high dollar cars.I don't like high dollar low horsepower cars and if someone wants to spend 60k for one thats up to them myself I wouldn't do it I'd rather use that money to buy something else.All I was saying is by todays standards the horsepower is outdated and compared it to 6cylinder Mustang 300 horse cars lol.Some like a GT style car because of the way they ride or whatever the reason.I know I would be bore as heck driving anything that runs slower than 4 seconds 0-60mph.I was bored with my motorcycle after awhile going 0-60 in 3 seconds.I sold my old street strip car than ran 0-60 in 2.9 seconds mainly because wanted something that handled but now want both.The choices,928 supercharged or 997 you know yourself you also want that 997.Just lighten up that 928 stable so you can afford to hug that 997 before bed
lolThere are so many nice cars out there today its hard to say what to choose from.
On the statement...why is it ANYONE else's business why a person buys ANYTHING they buy or what they pay for it???
Its also the same thing why is it anyones business who puts $10k to 20k into a supercharger on an older 928 because they would rather do that than pay 60k for a GTS.Some want higher horsepower cars some want collectables.If someone wanted a collectable 928 wouldn't the 1 of what maybe 5 older club sports be the rare 928?
Its not that I don't like low mileage high dollar cars.I don't like high dollar low horsepower cars and if someone wants to spend 60k for one thats up to them myself I wouldn't do it I'd rather use that money to buy something else.All I was saying is by todays standards the horsepower is outdated and compared it to 6cylinder Mustang 300 horse cars lol.Some like a GT style car because of the way they ride or whatever the reason.I know I would be bore as heck driving anything that runs slower than 4 seconds 0-60mph.I was bored with my motorcycle after awhile going 0-60 in 3 seconds.I sold my old street strip car than ran 0-60 in 2.9 seconds mainly because wanted something that handled but now want both.The choices,928 supercharged or 997 you know yourself you also want that 997.Just lighten up that 928 stable so you can afford to hug that 997 before bed
lolThere are so many nice cars out there today its hard to say what to choose from.On the statement...why is it ANYONE else's business why a person buys ANYTHING they buy or what they pay for it???
Its also the same thing why is it anyones business who puts $10k to 20k into a supercharger on an older 928 because they would rather do that than pay 60k for a GTS.Some want higher horsepower cars some want collectables.If someone wanted a collectable 928 wouldn't the 1 of what maybe 5 older club sports be the rare 928?
If I want to drive a fast car I drive my turbo the GTS is a car that I appreciate for so many other reasons and handling and acceleration is not it's primary reasons. I have to admit the torque is quite good and 350 hp back in 1993 was outstanding. There were very few cars that came close to those numbers. By today's standards everything is slow but the 928 still holds its own against the majority of cars out there. I find my GTS has more than enough power where needed and I for one can't understand the need to supercharge them. The car is well balanced as it is and without a complete suspension overhaul adding the extra power is not something i would be comfortable with. Don't forget driving fast on a track has little to do with HP, anyone can drag race down a straight but being fast in the turns takes skill.
You could make the argument but you need the info on what I paid.
I paid $20k back in 1994!The guy I bought it from was in his 60's and wanted someone that really wanted the car talked to him 2 years before he even wanted to sell it.He even was nice enough to hand me a $50 bill and said he didn't have time to wash it that day and make sure you and take good care of it.He gave me a good price because I told him I wouldn't flip the car for a quick dollar that was one guy who really cared where his car was going.Spending 20k on a 1987 back in 1994 on a owner car was worth it.The 87 may be worth $12k to $16k after driving 16 years for maybe $5k to $8k may be hard to argue thou on if it was a good price but that is up to you and your opinion.
I didn't question anyone what they paid,just expressed my opinion that I wouldn't spend $60k on the GTS.I'd even go as much as saying a well taken care of one owner GTS would be different.
I paid $20k back in 1994!The guy I bought it from was in his 60's and wanted someone that really wanted the car talked to him 2 years before he even wanted to sell it.He even was nice enough to hand me a $50 bill and said he didn't have time to wash it that day and make sure you and take good care of it.He gave me a good price because I told him I wouldn't flip the car for a quick dollar that was one guy who really cared where his car was going.Spending 20k on a 1987 back in 1994 on a owner car was worth it.The 87 may be worth $12k to $16k after driving 16 years for maybe $5k to $8k may be hard to argue thou on if it was a good price but that is up to you and your opinion.
I didn't question anyone what they paid,just expressed my opinion that I wouldn't spend $60k on the GTS.I'd even go as much as saying a well taken care of one owner GTS would be different.
If the buyer of this GTS drives it 2500 miles a year average and maintains it, chances are he can sell it for what he has into it and had the pleasure of ownership. After 5 years it will still be a low mileage example and in 5 years there will be less of these available than there are now. Although supercharged 928's will be abundant.
Nothing wrong with a healthy debate. We all buy our cars for different reasons and are willing to spend a certain amount to get what we want.
I get some heat for limiting how much and where I drive my GT but I find it gratifying to take a drive around town and experience the car as it was meant to be when it left the factory. Yeah it gets a regular flogging on the local highways and people get out of the way when they see it coming. I also enjoy going to car shows and seeing peoples faces when they see a time warp . At most shows (including PCA) the car draws a crowd (not just mine but other 928's in concours condition) and many say it was one of their dream cars. Most say they hardly ever see them anymore and especially in like new condition. They truly stand out in the sea of 911's.
I know many 928's on this board are in prestine condition but I rarely see anyone bringing them to shows and it's too bad.
More amazing is how many people at shows have wanted to buy one but were dismayed with the conditions of what they were finding and the cost to restore one. That is why I believe the pristine cars will enjoy appreciating prices.
Anyways, the point here is that a rare GTS 5spd will have some demand and there aren't that many being sold so naturally the price will be high unless the owner doesn't know what they have. MW knows this and has proven it time and again.
I get some heat for limiting how much and where I drive my GT but I find it gratifying to take a drive around town and experience the car as it was meant to be when it left the factory. Yeah it gets a regular flogging on the local highways and people get out of the way when they see it coming. I also enjoy going to car shows and seeing peoples faces when they see a time warp . At most shows (including PCA) the car draws a crowd (not just mine but other 928's in concours condition) and many say it was one of their dream cars. Most say they hardly ever see them anymore and especially in like new condition. They truly stand out in the sea of 911's.
I know many 928's on this board are in prestine condition but I rarely see anyone bringing them to shows and it's too bad.
More amazing is how many people at shows have wanted to buy one but were dismayed with the conditions of what they were finding and the cost to restore one. That is why I believe the pristine cars will enjoy appreciating prices.
Anyways, the point here is that a rare GTS 5spd will have some demand and there aren't that many being sold so naturally the price will be high unless the owner doesn't know what they have. MW knows this and has proven it time and again.
I agree I find when I bring my GTS to car shows or gatherings I get the same response there are more closet 928 lovers out there than you realize and I find it even more amazing how many come up to me and say they had never seen a real GTS in person before. For the record it took me a year to find the right GTS. I looked into many and most of them had one issue or another, so finding a good example is not as easy as you might think.
06-01-2010, 05:43 PM
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Say What??? You telling us that you can only drive a car that does 0-60 in under 4 seconds? First of all how often do you get the opportunity or even the need to do constant 0-60 runs as fast as possible. My turbo will do a 4 second 0-60 and a rather fast 1/4 but I don't push the car constantly and it's acceleration is only 40% of what the car is about. Street racing is dangerous so why the need to run constant 0-60's. I find a true test of a car is not 0-60 but 60-130, i have very little interest in 0-60 times and I find people that try to drag race you off the line at every stop sign to be a joke. But you don't see me running 60-130 times constantly. If i want to drive fast i do it at the track and my little 290 hp 964 that does 0-60 in only 5 seconds is more than fast enough to challenge most any street driver who feels he can drive because he knows how to mash the accelerator from 0-60. For the record you couldn't give me a new 997 for any of my cars. A GT3/GT2 maybe but not an n/a car. They are nice but have no connection to the road the way these older cars do.
Some don't understand the term street/strip car ever time I bring up the term they think its street racing,its not; its a street car you take to the drag strip.Its 0-60+ everytime I take it to the strip.I am not talking about street racing.How often do I do 0-60?Every time I take it to the drags and at least 4 to 6 times that night.
If I want to drive a fast car I drive my turbo the GTS is a car that I appreciate for so many other reasons and handling and acceleration is not it's primary reasons. I have to admit the torque is quite good and 350 hp back in 1993 was outstanding. There were very few cars that came close to those numbers. By today's standards everything is slow but the 928 still holds its own against the majority of cars out there. I find my GTS has more than enough power where needed and I for one can't understand the need to supercharge them. The car is well balanced as it is and without a complete suspension overhaul adding the extra power is not something i would be comfortable with. Don't forget driving fast on a track has little to do with HP, anyone can drag race down a straight but being fast in the turns takes skill.
Number of owners makes no difference. One bad owner is no better than 6 good owners and without documentation who knows what your getting. My GTS has 63k miles I am technically the 4th owner although the previous owner only had it for 6 months and 1000 miles both owners prior to that took A++ care of the car and it is in showroom condition. I have put about 10k mile on it since i purchased it in 2005. Every one a pleasure. The car is in better shape now than when I bought it. If I sell this car today i will not have lost one penny for driving it 10k miles can you say that about your 928? My turbo same thing. 38k miles 10k driven miles by me i am the 6th owner. You will be hard pressed finding a cleaner example. I know of 94 turbos with less than 10k miles and are not as nice or clean as my car. If I sell it I will make money on it. I drive the car occasionally but when i do, I drive it hard.
If the buyer of this GTS drives it 2500 miles a year average and maintains it, chances are he can sell it for what he has into it and had the pleasure of ownership. After 5 years it will still be a low mileage example and in 5 years there will be less of these available than there are now. Although supercharged 928's will be abundant.
Supercharged cars are for whoever decides that is what they want and its sounds like the same thing those owners are tired of going slow or want the look of one.
Nothing wrong with being selective where you take your nice car. I find no reason to take my GTS to the grocery store so the fat lady in her MB can ding the door. I don't need my car to represent me. I drive them for fun and care less about what others think.
I agree I find when I bring my GTS to car shows or gatherings I get the same response there are more closet 928 lovers out there than you realize and I find it even more amazing how many come up to me and say they had never seen a real GTS in person before. For the record it took me a year to find the right GTS. I looked into many and most of them had one issue or another, so finding a good example is not as easy as you might think.
I agree I find when I bring my GTS to car shows or gatherings I get the same response there are more closet 928 lovers out there than you realize and I find it even more amazing how many come up to me and say they had never seen a real GTS in person before. For the record it took me a year to find the right GTS. I looked into many and most of them had one issue or another, so finding a good example is not as easy as you might think.
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06-01-2010, 06:15 PM
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No I am saying bored with most cars that do so used to something that was must quicker.Not saying I don't like the way the 928 rides either maybe that is why alot go with the supercharged 928 they want a good riding car but are bored with it going slow or why else would they do it? except looks of the supercharger under the hood.
Some don't understand the term street/strip car ever time I bring up the term they think its street racing,its not; its a street car you take to the drag strip.Its 0-60+ everytime I take it to the strip.I am not talking about street racing.How often do I do 0-60?Every time I take it to the drags and at least 4 to 6 times that night.
Some don't understand the term street/strip car ever time I bring up the term they think its street racing,its not; its a street car you take to the drag strip.Its 0-60+ everytime I take it to the strip.I am not talking about street racing.How often do I do 0-60?Every time I take it to the drags and at least 4 to 6 times that night.
You are right its about skill,but when drag racing its not just about going straight. Drag racing is about you're reaction time at the lights and how consistant the car and also maiking sure the time is dialed in right so you don't go under the time.Take your 928 to the track and see the reaction time and you will find out if anyone can drag race.See how consistant the car is also.Have you ever been to the drags to try to see what reaction time you have?If it gets down under .550 on a .500 tree then its not bad but if its .6,.7 or 1.0 means you're sleeping at the light.
Any well taken care of 928 will hold its value not just GTS if taken care of with low miles,that 1986 that just sold with low miles just showed that.
Supercharged cars are for whoever decides that is what they want and its sounds like the same thing those owners are tired of going slow or want the look of one.
Supercharged cars are for whoever decides that is what they want and its sounds like the same thing those owners are tired of going slow or want the look of one.
Just as with my turbo they made 39 slope nose turbo S's and 17 package turbo S's These being some of the rarest US based Porsche's ever made bring well into the $170-$190k price range vs a stock 3.6T which is also rare can be had for between $60k and $100k depending on mileage and condition. These are the same cars as teh 91-92 turbo only sport a larger 3.6 liter motor larger big red (same as GTS big black) brakes and 18" 3 piece speedline wheels. The earlier 3.3 liter version can be had for between $28 and $60 depending on condition. So being the last and the best of a generation of cars has its value.
06-12-2010, 10:21 AM
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06-12-2010, 11:26 AM
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06-15-2010, 12:28 PM
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Even thou the 5 speeds are rare but always for sale,you don't see many 1995 low mileage GTS auto cars for sale,at least not on Ebay not sure on other sites but still haven't seen many.
06-15-2010, 12:39 PM
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When I was looking for mine it took me a year to find a 5 speed and almost settled on an auto since so many autos were for sale and no 5 speeds at all. Currently the trend seems to be the other way around but it seems to flip flop every so many months.
06-15-2010, 01:00 PM
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06-15-2010, 01:05 PM
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47 automatics you mean? Vs. 30 5spd cars? That seems like a pretty high number of 5spd cars really. That is about a 60/40 split there... Usually we talk about 80/20 for the later model years I thought.
06-15-2010, 01:13 PM
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Anyone know if Porsche announced early on that they would be discontinuing the 928 after a certain time?
06-15-2010, 01:18 PM
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For U.S. models:
1990: 315 Auto, 142 GT's, or 31% 5-speed
1991: 242 Auto, 145 GT's, or 37.5% 5-speed
1993: 97 automatics, 93 5 -speeds, or 42% 5-speed
1994: 95 Auto, 44 5-speed, or 37% 5-speed
1995: 47 Auto, 30 5-speed, or 39% 5-speed
1990: 315 Auto, 142 GT's, or 31% 5-speed
1991: 242 Auto, 145 GT's, or 37.5% 5-speed
1993: 97 automatics, 93 5 -speeds, or 42% 5-speed
1994: 95 Auto, 44 5-speed, or 37% 5-speed
1995: 47 Auto, 30 5-speed, or 39% 5-speed
06-15-2010, 02:09 PM
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Well out of 47 autos and 30 5 speeds using the registry as a source there are 10 autos and 8 5 speeds listed as being sold over the years. Although there are currently 2 5 speeds for sale right now. I wouldn't say this is enough to make the comment true but I guess it is how you look at it.
