1995 on eBay again and AGAIN ???
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Previous Owner/Seller of this car...just FYI.....
Michael Willhoit
417-869-7000 Office
417-839-1258 Cell
Willhoit Enterprises
www.willhoitenterprises.com
turbobooost@aol.com
Michael Willhoit
417-869-7000 Office
417-839-1258 Cell
Willhoit Enterprises
www.willhoitenterprises.com
turbobooost@aol.com
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Probably because none of us here are going to buy it and if we were we would be contacting him directly.
Michael is a great guy to work with but I don't think you will find him posting here much since so many have a need to bash him for what he does.
Michael is a great guy to work with but I don't think you will find him posting here much since so many have a need to bash him for what he does.
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I'm going to be discussing this with my insurance company so I can get an agreed value for the car. Feel free to PM me if you prefer.
PS: Thank you for helping the 928 cause and getting what they're truly worth in the market.
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Valuation books are mostly fiction especially when it comes to the 928 (well fiction for most cars for that matter). They have no idea what these cars are acutally selling for apparently neither do you if this is your source of value? Where do they get their data from? So few are change hands their data can't help but be flawed? They guess about value and just like Bruce Anderson does. Since most cars depreciate at a certain average rate the 928 must do the same.... right?.
The values in that book are based on actual auction sales.
So yea, when it comes to 928 or anything much older than 6-8 years they are not terribly accurate.
The values are also designed to give a rough estimation on cars that have actually been used like a mode of basic transportation. NADA/KBB/Edmunds etc... will be the first to tell you their books are not designed for the collector car market.
Once you have low mileage or extreemly low mileage (like the 2001 V12 Vanquish with 2k on the odo my friend is buying) toss these values right out the window.
Few years ago my friend paid about 70% over NADA/KBB for a 1994 Corvette, fully optioned out, 1 owner with less than 900 miles on the odo. How do you put a generic value on that for a publication?
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Have a great Memorial Day everbody.
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People say he is such a great supporter of our sharks, it having saved his life and his wife. Most of us work around the low end on these cars pricewise and he obviously works the high. For every poster on a thread there are a couple dozen lurkers, some of which must have deep pockets. Some have no interest in mechanicals or info to contribute. That's fine. I just find it odd that he could not offer any thoughts, self-serving or otherwise about the market and this car in particular, since he did surface as to ownership. He had time to read the thread. Oddly distant.
Have a great Memorial Day everbody.
Have a great Memorial Day everbody.
Regardless, it shouldn't be up to him to disclose what the seller is offering and if it has any issues. If it was his car to sell its another story.
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Valuation books are mostly fiction especially when it comes to the 928 (well fiction for most cars for that matter). They have no idea what these cars are acutally selling for apparently neither do you if this is your source of value? Where do they get their data from? So few are change hands their data can't help but be flawed? They guess about value and just like Bruce Anderson does. Since most cars depreciate at a certain average rate the 928 must do the same.... right?
If most do not take their 928 to a dealer for service - BECAUSE THEY DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE 928, what makes you think they're any more educated when it comes to the true value of these cars? They'll use the same books you mention above........
It is gone...... Willhoit bought it! As Afshin has already mentioned, there has already been a GTS that sold for $100k plus. Fact is, there have been a couple.......
Like it or not, the late low mileage GTS 5-spd is worth more than you think it is....
If most do not take their 928 to a dealer for service - BECAUSE THEY DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE 928, what makes you think they're any more educated when it comes to the true value of these cars? They'll use the same books you mention above........
It is gone...... Willhoit bought it! As Afshin has already mentioned, there has already been a GTS that sold for $100k plus. Fact is, there have been a couple.......
Like it or not, the late low mileage GTS 5-spd is worth more than you think it is....
Noone on the list here that thought it was worth it bought it.How many here that thought it was a great, took the chance to buy it as if they thought it was such a bargin they would of jumped on the oppertunity.How many thought the housing market was great to flip houses at some point someone gets stuck with a overpriced item.
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I wouldnt be buying a 95 GTS for its 0-60 either...theres WAY more to these cars than that.
Some people GET it..some DON'T
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Most of the money guys I know think owning an old car is insane. They buy new top of the line cars, usually on a two year lease so each year one of their two cars gets replaced.
The other big group wants to make a statement of wealth, a $125k MB etc., not some used car of any pedigree.
When it comes to buying an expensive old 928 we are talking about a very short bus of potential owners.
The other big group wants to make a statement of wealth, a $125k MB etc., not some used car of any pedigree.
When it comes to buying an expensive old 928 we are talking about a very short bus of potential owners.
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Didn't say it would never sell but see it ended no sale.I think Dan explained it better earlier.Also feel the same would rather have 3 or 4 928's with superchargers for $60k.Depends what one wants to spend their money on I myself can't see sinking $60k into a GTS when there are so many newer cars with better performance.
Noone on the list here that thought it was worth it bought it.How many here that thought it was a great, took the chance to buy it as if they thought it was such a bargin they would of jumped on the oppertunity.How many thought the housing market was great to flip houses at some point someone gets stuck with a overpriced item.
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Cars will never be built the way these cars were again, period. Materials are different goals and markets have changed and to me these are the masterpieces of a generation lost, taken over by empty numbers.
Most of the money guys I know think owning an old car is insane. They buy new top of the line cars, usually on a two year lease so each year one of their two cars gets replaced.
The other big group wants to make a statement of wealth, a $125k MB etc., not some used car of any pedigree.
When it comes to buying an expensive old 928 we are talking about a very short bus of potential owners.
The other big group wants to make a statement of wealth, a $125k MB etc., not some used car of any pedigree.
When it comes to buying an expensive old 928 we are talking about a very short bus of potential owners.