Notices
928 Forum 1978-1995
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: 928 Specialists

Non-proprietary stroker assembly thread :)

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 01-07-2010, 07:53 PM
  #16  
davek9
Rennlist Member
 
davek9's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Bloomfield, MI
Posts: 5,151
Received 353 Likes on 193 Posts
Default

Automotive Art, nothing less, thanks for sharing !

Old 01-08-2010, 02:02 AM
  #17  
GregBBRD
Former Sponsor
 
GregBBRD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Anaheim
Posts: 15,230
Received 2,474 Likes on 1,468 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by mark kibort
very nice.

I see the plug holes on the heads. are those 968 heads? then, how do you use 968 gaskets and and plug a gasket????????
Mark:

Both cylinder heads will fit on either side of the engine, on a 928. The heads have "big" water passages to transfer the water from the cylinders to the head on each end.

Stock 928 gaskets have different gaskets on each side of the engine. Both the 1-4 gasket and the 5-8 gasket have "big" water transfer holes in the very rear of the gaskets. Water flows through the engine block (past the cylinders) to the rear of the engine, passes through the head gasket and then flows forward through the head.

Since the 968 gaskets are made for a 4 cylinder engine, the gasket has the water holes at the rear of the gasket. This requires very little modification on the 1-4 side of the engine, but if you install it on the 5-8 side, the "water transfer" holes will be at the front of the engine. This would allow the water to flow directly from the block into the head and would cause a huge air bubble in the rear of the block and head.

We cut an "extra" set of water passages in the 968 head gasket, so there are then holes at the rear. Then, we "plug" the water passages at the front of the head (where the custom plugs are). This allows the water to flow to the rear, up through the gasket and then back to the front, through the head....just like stock.
Old 01-08-2010, 02:16 AM
  #18  
mark kibort
Rennlist Member
 
mark kibort's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: saratoga, ca
Posts: 29,952
Received 165 Likes on 64 Posts
Default

Got it, as I forgot that we have that extra set of cylinders on the other side.

so, how in the heck do you plug the gasket?

It looked like the heads were modified or welded up, or was that just the gasket stain?

thanks

mk



Originally Posted by GregBBRD
Mark:

Both cylinder heads will fit on either side of the engine, on a 928. The heads have "big" water passages to transfer the water from the cylinders to the head on each end.

Stock 928 gaskets have different gaskets on each side of the engine. Both the 1-4 gasket and the 5-8 gasket have "big" water transfer holes in the very rear of the gaskets. Water flows through the engine block (past the cylinders) to the rear of the engine, passes through the head gasket and then flows forward through the head.

Since the 968 gaskets are made for a 4 cylinder engine, the gasket has the water holes at the rear of the gasket. This requires very little modification on the 1-4 side of the engine, but if you install it on the 5-8 side, the "water transfer" holes will be at the front of the engine. This would allow the water to flow directly from the block into the head and would cause a huge air bubble in the rear of the block and head.

We cut an "extra" set of water passages in the 968 head gasket, so there are then holes at the rear. Then, we "plug" the water passages at the front of the head (where the custom plugs are). This allows the water to flow to the rear, up through the gasket and then back to the front, through the head....just like stock.
Old 01-08-2010, 02:30 AM
  #19  
Rob Edwards
Archive Gatekeeper
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
Rob Edwards's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Irvine, CA
Posts: 17,498
Received 2,710 Likes on 1,312 Posts
Default

You don't need to plug the gasket, and you don't weld the head, you need to plug the head passages. With Greg's little crafted plugs fitted to each coolant port.
Old 01-08-2010, 02:33 AM
  #20  
GregBBRD
Former Sponsor
 
GregBBRD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Anaheim
Posts: 15,230
Received 2,474 Likes on 1,468 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Rob Edwards
You don't need to plug the gasket, and you don't weld the head, you need to plug the head passages. With Greg's little crafted plugs fitted to each coolant port.
That's it. Make 4 little aluminum "kidney" shaped plugs and epoxy then in. Drill one steam hole and modify the gasket...done.

Cometics are much easier.
Old 01-08-2010, 03:03 AM
  #21  
slate blue
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
slate blue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 3,315
Received 10 Likes on 8 Posts
Default

Very Nice work guys, this stuff takes a ton of time.

Greg
Old 01-10-2010, 12:03 AM
  #22  
John Veninger
Addict
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
 
John Veninger's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 3,926
Received 36 Likes on 23 Posts
Default

Cometics are much easier.
But they leak........
Old 01-10-2010, 01:20 AM
  #23  
blown 87
Rest in Peace
Rennlist Member
 
blown 87's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Bird lover in Sharpsburg
Posts: 9,903
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by John Veninger
But they leak........
Mine don't.
Not sure why.
Old 01-10-2010, 07:45 AM
  #24  
John Veninger
Addict
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
 
John Veninger's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 3,926
Received 36 Likes on 23 Posts
Default

one set did, one set didn't
Old 01-10-2010, 06:20 PM
  #25  
GregBBRD
Former Sponsor
 
GregBBRD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Anaheim
Posts: 15,230
Received 2,474 Likes on 1,468 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by blown 87
Mine don't.
Not sure why.
In all fairness, Greg's gaskets didn't just get taken out of the package and installed, like Cometic would lead you to believe you can do.

I think I tried 5 sets, installing them right out of the package, like they told me to do.

I did look on the internet to see if Cometic and Rainbird had the same parent company....
Old 01-10-2010, 07:06 PM
  #26  
John Veninger
Addict
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
 
John Veninger's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 3,926
Received 36 Likes on 23 Posts
Default

I did look on the internet to see if Cometic and Rainbird had the same parent company....
Old 01-10-2010, 07:09 PM
  #27  
John Veninger
Addict
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
 
John Veninger's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 3,926
Received 36 Likes on 23 Posts
Default

gb,

Do you sell the windage trays without a motor build
Old 01-10-2010, 07:22 PM
  #28  
blown 87
Rest in Peace
Rennlist Member
 
blown 87's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Bird lover in Sharpsburg
Posts: 9,903
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by GregBBRD
In all fairness, Greg's gaskets didn't just get taken out of the package and installed, like Cometic would lead you to believe you can do.

I think I tried 5 sets, installing them right out of the package, like they told me to do.

I did look on the internet to see if Cometic and Rainbird had the same parent company....
I did take all of your advice on them, I think I got lucky also.

RainBird
Old 01-10-2010, 07:31 PM
  #29  
GregBBRD
Former Sponsor
 
GregBBRD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Anaheim
Posts: 15,230
Received 2,474 Likes on 1,468 Posts
Default

My advice is actually advice I got from Brendan...who I think got advice from Todd.

The "Greenbay Guys" apparently have never had any problems with their Cometics leaking....my guess is that the water is frozen.....
Old 01-10-2010, 07:45 PM
  #30  
blown 87
Rest in Peace
Rennlist Member
 
blown 87's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Bird lover in Sharpsburg
Posts: 9,903
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by GregBBRD
My advice is actually advice I got from Brendan...who I think got advice from Todd.

The "Greenbay Guys" apparently have never had any problems with their Cometics leaking....my guess is that the water is frozen.....
If it is much colder there than here, they may not even need water.


Quick Reply: Non-proprietary stroker assembly thread :)



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 08:34 AM.