You Bet !!!

This means something to a lot of us.

 

Brumos's museum is indeed private, invitation only. That being said, they do allow groups such as PCA to have tours. Also, anyone who visits is asked to sign a 4'x5' signature board that, when full, goes on one of the walls inside. When I was there last Tuesday, they were on about their 10th board.

Regarding what cars they show publically or not, since most of their collection is famous cars connected to the history of Brumos & their racing, you see many of those in public displays. They want the cars in their collection out in front of the public, it is the best form of PR & advertising for them. Locally of course, they rotate several each month in their show room here in Jacksonville. Nationally, they have something every year somewhere, including: Amelia Island Concourse every year; Pebble Beach; All of the Rennsport Reunions; Monterey Historics; & probably every famous car show or display around the country. They just had 4-5 of their cars in the filming of the Panamera commercial. They race many their historic race cars(those on display in the museum), in the HHR races around the country.

They do also display other non Brumos cars, race related & otherwise. Some I know that have traveled the country include the 2nd 959 to roll off the production line(silver w/Pascha interior); a large historic Porsche factory race support transport; etc. I don't think the white '78 928 has been displayed. I'd think the red IMSA S4 medic safety car would have been displayed publically, but I have never seen it other than in the museum.

Regarding the Holbert 928, I would have to think that if they undertook such an extensive rebuild, it would be like new, better than new, but in keeping with the run on the salt flats perhaps. I certainly think they'd have some interest in this car. Due not only to the significance of the car's history and of Holbert's connection to Porsche. But also his connection to Porsche racing, and to Brumos & their racing. I seem to remember among the hundreds of posters, artwork, signed memorabilia, etc. on the walls in the museum something of Holbert, just can't remember what right now.

The biggest problem with Brumos having this undertaking would be more of the time required, not their desire to do so, or the cost of the project. The main owner of Brumos for many years now is Mr. Dano Davis & neither money, nor his love of Porsches is ever in question. How much it would be worth to them with the required repairs needed, I have no idea. Remember, having their cars out in the public that PR the Brumos name is most impt. This car would be historically significant, but no Brumos name plastered on it, or any direct connection to it.

I would agree that the 928 community restoring it would be probably more appropriate. IF Brumos did restore it, I'd think they would make it available in their rotation of publically displayed cars. The car would have more exposure to the general public, and possibly even to the 928 specific public too. If the 928 community restored it, then I'd assume it would mainly be transported around to the 3 or so big 928 gatherings each year only. If that were the case, then not only would the car rarely be seen by the general public, and there are also many 928ers who can't make these events either.

No matter who does the restore, a car this significant needs to be kept from being dismantled & scrapped. DR, 928OC, one or a group of others, would do the right thing by treating this car as it should be. Even if an individual restored it to keep personally or to race it again would be assurance that it lived on. I know Mark K. will make sure of that no matter where it ends up.

 

It would be awesome to return the Holbert 928 back to "record run" condition. That is its most "valuable" state as a collectible.

Let's all hope for the best and that Mark is on the road to recovery!

 

^^^ X2


Its all hindsight but where was this sentiment when a car so "significant" in 928 history was first "unearthed" and slated for track duty. IMHO, the car should have never seen the track.
I wonder what Brumos or perhaps the Porsche Museum would have given to have the car in the condition it was?
Sadly, and I hope Im wrong, but i dont think they will touch it now.

 

You are probably right, Tony - even though the car has accomplished so much more than just the record since Mark rescued it.

Let's face it: The factory did not have any interest in the car after the record. They did not look for it, and the museum has not responded to my plea - even though I know for sure that my message was forwarded to the right person there by someone who has some clout.

I would be VERY proud to have rixter take on the project and keep us updated on its progress. I am sure many of us would support him with parts or financial donations, as well as wrenching time.

 

Let's see what Brumos says first. I will give them a call this week.

Like I and other's have said before, it will ultimately be Mark K.'s choice anyway.

Cheers,

 

Well it seems Brumos does not have an interest in restoring the Holbert 928 at this time. Although it wasn't the hopeful outcome, it now paves the way for others who have expressed an interest in taking on this project. Those who are still interested should re-contact Mark K. and work out the finer details to make this happen.

From my conversations with Mark K. he is hopeful to make it back on the track with the 928 chassis from Mark Anderson and some of the salvageable parts of the running gear from the Holbert car. Other parts will be needed and if anyone cares to help in this area, I'm sure it would be appreciated!

I am hopeful the 928 community can muster up and save the Holbert Car and get Mark K. back on the track. Both are very worthy causes!

Cheers,

 

IMO it should be restored to it's absolute original condition...




IE. '86 automatic

 

Thanks for giving it a shot Constantine!That would have been the best solution I agree but after seeing all the interest in this car I'm sure we can all put our resources together and preserve this historic car and get Mark up and racing!Count me in Ed

 

Well, let's all form up a high level solution. I have to commit to Mark to day on how much of the Donor car I want, if not all of it. As it stands right now, I think all that will be left at 928intl will be a bare tub with nothing left on it.

mk

 

If this car gets stripped, what will be left to restore?

 

Mark - I think the 928 Rennlist community is interested in saving the Holbert car and as much of it as possible. We've been waiting to hear about the Brumos decision. It is a tough thing to be given a couple of hours to determine the fate of the car.

It is still unclear as to what you are willing/able to provide to someone who is intent on restoring it to orginal Bonneville status. Can you provide what comes with the car that is original? Would be good to understand the extent of the project.

 

You got that one right. Problem is Kibort had a $25-30K race car just before the crash.....he NEEDS all the bits and pieces to bolt onto a rather valueless S-4 tub. Even then he will have to reregister transfer title on the "new" car if he still wants to drive to the track and that may not be cheap either. All of which is why I would probably just move the vin # s (I know I know) to the "new" tub and avoid all those things. It is then the reborn Holbert car back doing what was arguably it's best highest use ! Remember Porsche GAVE it away....

 

Save? IMHO...for what the car has been through it was lost a long time ago.
Mark was looking for a track car from the onset i believe. He then stumbled upon the Holbert car and IT then be came HIS track car with little concern to the restoration and preservation of it. It was a track car for him from the get go and $$$ was sunk in it to make it that way and he had great succes with it..

I agree, i would like to see him back on the track but why tempt fate again with the Holbert chasis (if that is even possible)

If the car was mine, and i think i could say any of ours, it would have been restored back to its "Salt flats configuration" once it got into our hands , kept that way, driven now and then and perhaps would be making the rounds to various Porsche events. Intact and preserved.

That opportunity as they say is " gone and lost for ever"...but it looks like it may survive in some form of bits and pieces. Sad.

 

Being a member of another esoteric performance car marque (Sunbeam Tiger) I can tell you as time passes regret increases relaitve to the abandonment of notable examples of the car. To transfer the VINs is really putting the last nail into the coffin on the Holbert car.

Enough of the car must remain to make any restoration valid. If that is not possible then the very best you can hope for is a "Tribute" car. Which means little.