m73m95

Thanks again guys

I shall read up!

I'll post again in the near future...

Richter12x2

Any car can perform on the track with money and know-how. The 928 is just so nice and comfortable and fast anyway, that it just doesn't seem right. It's a 3200 lb car with 300+hp on light mods.

From the little bit I've driven it, it seems to have a bit of understeer to it, but that can easily be tuned out with higher rate springs and stiffer swaybars. Heck, my 2003 Neon daily driver can be induced to oversteer after my suspension upgrades.

pcar928fan

Richter,

Remember that is stiffer springs and bars ON THE BACK, NOT on the front to dial out understeer. The lightest of the 928's was probably more like 3300 and S4/GT/GTS are 3600+ in auto form.

You can lighten one pretty quickly though by taking out the tools, carpets, spare, etc that isn't bolted down and pull 100# out of them that way! So, when you hit the track w/ a 928 (especially a EURO S) you are talking 300+ HP and 3200# (less driver or course)... put 8"-9" front tires on the car and rear sway bar steroid links and knock yourself out! Kick some SERIOUS 911 butt with that set up!

Richter12x2

Exactly, I can't believe I didn't mention it, because it is backward of what you'd expect. What you have to think about is the rear wheels are turning forward, and since every action provokes an equal and opposite reaction, the torque of the rear wheels wants to lift the fronts off the ground. Less weight on the steering wheels = less steering. My wife's Mustang actually had weak enough springs and struts in the back that when you stepped on it in a turn, it would go in a straight line! Luckily we discovered it at an autocross track, and the only victim was one poor marker cone. Stiffer rear struts helped it a lot. A coilover kit would help it a lot more though.

Oddly enough, if you're a good enough driver you can go completely the opposite direction as well. In the Texas Region, we have a 6 time National Champion that races a stock Honda Civic and he takes the swaybars off entirely. I believe he only wins because the inner front tire comes so high off the ground that he drives over the cones without hitting them.

pcar928fan

^^^^^
LOL! That is FUNNY about the CIVIC! I have a neighbor who is a 6X SCCA Nat. Champ. Auto-X too...he and his wife BOTH actually! They have raced all kinds of cars... Z06 Vette's, custom 3 rotor RX7 race car, BMW 135i, etc...

928SS

not sure you can lump all the 944 guys into one pot. the ones I've personally met are great. a few online folks deliberately antagonize some 928 folks, but I never took it serously.
just thought it was all good fun.

heck, I used to have a nice 944 back in the mid 80's. was my 1st pcar, and got me hooked on cars that could stop and turn vs american iron.

but after having been exposed to GT3's, 928's, boxster S, 968, cgt and the TT 911 stuff, I also know the 944 was a failure as far as pcars go, hahaha

m73m95

I've been brushing up on the 928. However I would still like to know how the maintenance compares to a 944. It seems that might be a hush hush subject?.... lol

blown 87

The majority of the threads here are about maintaining 928's.

86'928S MeteorGrey

Nothing hush hush about it. It's on par with the 944... Standard items include... Intake refresh, (Powder coat or paint the intake. Replace hoses, mounts, and sensors WYAIT) TB/WP replacement, TT bearings, steering rack and pump, (same basic unit as 944), motor mounts, Annual removal of ground contacts (brush clean, dielectric grease, re attach), switch replacement typical for sunroof, windows (just like the 944), and CV joints. This will be nothing new for a 944 owner. The general rule on the 928, is if you are paying for the maintenance to be done in a shop, please have a large bank account. Otherwise, if you can turn a wrench, once you know the car, and get in touch with the major 928 vendors, it is quite the opposite of the wallet eater it's been made out as. Anyone can do the work themselves with the help of rennlist!

For the same price that you can get a decent 944, you can get a whole lot of 928......

Here is a shot of my 9 year old son helping with an 85/86 engine teardown.

m73m95

You're saying I could sell my 944 for $4k (Think I could. Its in good shape), and get a better shape 928? .... I don't know about that. Hopefully I'm reading that wrong lol.

But if the maintenance is about the same as a 944, I'd be worth it to me to spend some extra coin on a nice 928.

Richter12x2

I picked up my '85 928 S with the big engine for $3200 in decent shape. Ideal for me actually, as I like to work on cars. There's a nice '86 that runs, windows work, and cold A/C for $4000, and still has the big engine. As a rule of thumb, take your car budget, and spend no more than 80% of it on the car. Save the other 20% for maintenance and fixing things you can't live without. (Stereo, or A/C for example.)

86'928S MeteorGrey

You are reading that wrong. I said you can get a whole lot of 928 for the price of a decent 944. That whole lot of 928 will probably need most or some of the items mentioned that require maintenance. Considering that the MY 89+ cars were over $75,000 new, $4000 for a solid starting point is a bargain to me.

I've never seen more cars available for such low prices. Just be patient, and get a PPI done before you dive in....

The golden rule is to buy the nicest car you can find in your price range. It's always better to spend more for a well maintained example. If you can buy an enthusiasts car, even better....

You just need to head to a GTG and go for a little spin in one. THEN the hook will be set.....

Tony

not hush hush at all. I will speak for my self but ive busted my *** many times working on this car but i enjoy doing it. You can do no mtc or you can do as much as you want and replce things that need replacing when they are scheduled to or you have easy access to.(while your in there sort of thing) You really cant ignore mtc on ANY car, no matter what the year....it will catch up with you and your wallet eventually.

Im in the midst of sorting out some tuning on mine right now, but at some point Id be happy to give you a ride and show you around one a bit. Although it may make a ride in a stock 928/944 seem a little mundane.

What part of town?

Mike B

Great shot Mike...pics like that make a Dad proud!

ShawnSmith

I don't know where this idea of some great 944/928 conflict came from. I haven't seen it.

In fact, the 968 folks are kinda like second-cousins to us