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Old 02-11-2009, 11:22 AM
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I want AWD for year round use, this will not be a winter storage vehicle.

Most of those 911 owners don't show up in my area then, since a group 911 guru's asked about my GTS after a DE event at Road America.

IMHO the only reason why a GTS would be up on a pedestal for "most 911 owners" is exclusivity.
Old 02-11-2009, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Hacker-Pschorr
I want AWD for year round use, this will not be a winter storage vehicle.

Most of those 911 owners don't show up in my area then, since a group 911 guru's asked about my GTS after a DE event at Road America.

IMHO the only reason why a GTS would be up on a pedestal for "most 911 owners" is exclusivity.
Surprisingly, all models including the Cayenne get equal treatment around my region. Except maybe the 924 we make allowances for.

Exclusivity is what gets attention for any nice car.

If Porsche made 100,000 Carrera GT's in silver and a black one came along you don't think he would get all the attention? I don't buy my cars for exclusivity or attention, I buy them because I like them and enjoy driving and caring for them. The attention is nice but sometimes can be a hassle.

Although I find that any of the older cars always get attention because they are becoming rare and exclusive and that includes 928's and 914's.
Old 02-11-2009, 11:45 AM
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I'm not trying to say there is anything wrong with exclusivity, for some people it's more important then any other aspect of the car. This is the only reason why Lamborghini has lasted so long

I guess that also works for the DeLorean
Hell, if the doors go up, it's automatically a crowd pleaser. Even if it's a Civic.

I'm not trying to argue against what will get the attention. It may be a replica, but not many cars draw a crowd like my replica Cobra. Frankly it's annoying and the only aspect of the car I don't like.

In my area the only attention 928's receive are questions like "what year 944 is that?" I'm not kidding, it's the most commonly asked question I get. Next one is how much the chevy engine conversion cost (after hearing it run).

In a different thread I shared a recent story about my 79, which is sitting on the showroom of a local auto shop for the winter. The owner has been asked a few times why the motor is out of the car (while looking into the hatch). All but one of these people have 911's.
Old 02-11-2009, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Hacker-Pschorr
I'm not trying to say there is anything wrong with exclusivity, for some people it's more important then any other aspect of the car. This is the only reason why Lamborghini has lasted so long

I guess that also works for the DeLorean
Hell, if the doors go up, it's automatically a crowd pleaser. Even if it's a Civic.

I'm not trying to argue against what will get the attention. It may be a replica, but not many cars draw a crowd like my replica Cobra. Frankly it's annoying and the only aspect of the car I don't like.

In my area the only attention 928's receive are questions like "what year 944 is that?" I'm not kidding, it's the most commonly asked question I get. Next one is how much the chevy engine conversion cost (after hearing it run).

In a different thread I shared a recent story about my 79, which is sitting on the showroom of a local auto shop for the winter. The owner has been asked a few times why the motor is out of the car (while looking into the hatch). All but one of these people have 911's.

Sorry but sounds like inbreeding issues.

I am not accustomed to people not knowing the different models around here. Even young kids that were born after the Porsche ceased production of the 928 know the car and give me the

Of course there is always the new owner crowd that leased there TT to be seen and don't have clue to what a Cayman is let alone a 928 but I just ignore those people for the posers they are.

I find by me most enthusiasts love the marque and it doesn't matter what model 911/944/928 etc they have respect fro them all.

I would say move out to NJ but I already made one cruel comment this thread. (even though it was a joke)
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I have read through all the posts on this thread and have the following to add:

1. The 928 is a lot of car for the money, with a rich and interesting history that is still being written. Success in motorsport has always affected the value of sports cars and in this way the 928 is really an infant. It seems that more people are racing these cars now that they are affordable, and from what I have seen here the car has a lot of potential. This will make the car more attractive to enthusiasts and the low mileage examples will become more rare, driving higher prices over time. This is what has happened to the early 911 cars, and over time it will happen to these cars, if enough people stay interested in them. I see that following growing slowly, not shrinking. I just bought my first 928 ('91 S4 with 36Kmi) and have joined the community both because I love the car, and because the people who love 928's are such great car enthusiasts (similar to early 911 folks but with less focus on seniority, and frankly more fun)

2. As collectors look out across the auto landscape, they are looking for cars that round out collections, that tell stories within their marque or fill some unique niche in their collection. I think that the 928 is a highly collectible car for any Porsche collector. I love mine and would have paid more for it because it is such an amazing car (I think I finally bought one well). Most Porsche owners have never driven one, and if they did would have a completely different opinion of the car.

It really doesn't matter if the car sells at that price or not, I suspect it will in time, it is a unique example of a pristine 928 GTS that should not be driven but properly stored to define the uppermost values of the model. It is cars like this that mystify people 30-40 years down the road because they seem to simply bypass time. I would like to see a car like this next to the Holbert Racer at the Porsche Parade concours in 2028 (50th anniversary). That is what Porsche is all about.
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Our local PCA parking lot gatherings show none of the model-dis'ing that others report. Collection includes everything from 914 to late TT, plus Cayenne in varioius flavors. Only once in a while do we see a 356. Last month there was a Brazilian Mini, a 360 F-car, and others besides the Porsches. Some folks have mixed-heritage families living in their garages I guess.

Folks are interested in the cars as well as the owners. Everybody has a story to tell. Listen and learn. Respect is a mutual thing, BTW. Make a 911 crack about 'sons of VW' and you will get some raised neck hair for sure. I love all the cars!
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Oh... A few gatherings ago, a local 911 owner sat in and ogled my S4, then said he wanted to buy it right there. Just name a price. I couldn't part with it... I needed a way to get home.
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Originally Posted by cobalt
Sorry but sounds like inbreeding issues.
That is part of the problem

Originally Posted by dr bob
Our local PCA parking lot gatherings show none of the model-dis'ing that others report.
I must say I haven't been to a PCA gathering in a very long time except for DE events. The track crowd is more interested in you moving over if needed then what you are driving.
Old 02-11-2009, 02:31 PM
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Anthony and Dr. Bob are in the same boat as we are here in central Texas! We love ALL the Porsche's and most folks even love a Ferrari/Lambo/Aston or two as well! We invite them all under our BIG TENT so to speak and dis no one. My 928's ALWAYS cause a stir wherever they go too! People just LOVE them!
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Yesterday at the emissions station the guy asked me EXACTLY that: what year 944 is that?

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Originally Posted by dprantl
Yesterday at the emissions station the guy asked me EXACTLY that: what year 944 is that?

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I get that too.

Back in the 80's when I had my first 928 I used to go to clubs and some floozy asked me what car I drove I said Porsche 928 and she said is that the one with the bug eyes. I said I had one of those too but would be happy to show her the 928. She didn't believe me when I told her it was a real Porsche. She told me her girlfriend insisted you couldn't do it in a Porsche so I insisted on proving her girlfriend wrong.

They do exist everywhere and not everyone is up on the cars current or past. Sometimes you have to shrug it off and others use to your advantage.
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Originally Posted by pcar928fan
Well, considering it was on the market for quite some time at $78k and then picked up by a flipper and the price instantly goes up to $100k... I just don't see it. If it sat at $78k I certainly don't see why it would sell at $100k... True it did not sit that long (a few months I guess) and the original seller might have been an idiot or just does not have Michael's contacts, but if Michael had a SERIOUS buyer for the car it would have never even been advertised. It would have transferred from him directly to the new owner... That has not happened, so I think $100k is WILDLY optimistic. Sure I would LOVE to see all my babies go WAY up in value because of this car, but that is just not going to happen...
agree.
Old 02-11-2009, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by belgiumbarry
agree.
Yes and no.

I didn't realize it was on the market and wasn't looking until the other day. Sometimes it is just timing.
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Originally Posted by cobalt
Yes and no.

I didn't realize it was on the market and wasn't looking until the other day. Sometimes it is just timing.
Relatively speaking, it hasn't been on the market all that long. Perhaps a couple months? This is not the good ole days when cars sold 1st or even 2nd time on fleabay. In today's market, a few months is not very long at all. It's going to take a while to sell this one however, from what I understand there is already a $85k offer on it.
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Originally Posted by Chuck Z
Relatively speaking, it hasn't been on the market all that long. Perhaps a couple months? This is not the good ole days when cars sold 1st or even 2nd time on fleabay. In today's market, a few months is not very long at all. It's going to take a while to sell this one however, from what I understand there is already a $85k offer on it.


BTW if you get a chance maybe in a PM, care to share your opinions between your Cayenne turbo and GTS. Thinking of trading my 04 in not sure if I should go turbo again or if the power of the GTS is adequate.


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