SCCA ITE RACE at Thunderhill This Weekend 10-25-08
01-20-2009, 02:54 PM
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The "talk" is what get things done. After all its our series.
The T56 is a viper tranmission, and dont know if it could survive the mustang's nascar motor. who knows. point is, there will be some type of limitation as more and more of high powered stuff runs with us. safety will become a concern as well. I just think, and many like me, that the series has to keep a flavor of privateer, production, type vehicles. I dont think the mustang is really is in that spirit, and yours is on the fringe.
. Sequential gear boxes? com'mon, that is really production like isnt it! maybe its as simple as making sure you have a stock block AND a factory transmission. I dont think we want the death traps of the v8 powered 240zs out there, now do we?
mk
The T56 is a viper tranmission, and dont know if it could survive the mustang's nascar motor. who knows. point is, there will be some type of limitation as more and more of high powered stuff runs with us. safety will become a concern as well. I just think, and many like me, that the series has to keep a flavor of privateer, production, type vehicles. I dont think the mustang is really is in that spirit, and yours is on the fringe.
. Sequential gear boxes? com'mon, that is really production like isnt it! maybe its as simple as making sure you have a stock block AND a factory transmission. I dont think we want the death traps of the v8 powered 240zs out there, now do we?mk
...uh....Mark.....I hate to say it, but the only "talk" of a stock production transmission rule must have been in your mind.....it has NEVER been on the table as far as I know....unless you count last years emailapalooza between all of us as on the table.....that woulld be a stretch....
As far as what that would do for anybody...I dunno.....World Challenge cars run through the T56......same tranny in my car......they seem to be kinda fast.....I don't think that rule is gonna do anything.....
As far as what that would do for anybody...I dunno.....World Challenge cars run through the T56......same tranny in my car......they seem to be kinda fast.....I don't think that rule is gonna do anything.....
01-20-2009, 05:12 PM
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01-20-2009, 06:54 PM
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As you saw last year....there was some "push back" to our concerns....matter of fact I think it was damn near "we originally created ITE to be a catch all for ANYTHING above 'normal' IT spec cars and that IS that....."
I think we were "lucky" that there was the pre-created BP class and the fact that David Allen was WILLING to put it out there for us.....before that, I am pretty sure it was a dead issue. My gut feeling is that YOUR (and some others) opinion of what the classes function is and SCCA's opinion are VERY far apart.....JMHO.....
....dunno.....my take on it.....
01-20-2009, 07:03 PM
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ps.....I LOVE HOW MY CAR IS ALWAYS A "FRINGE" CAR......if not an all out abomination to some.....
My car has:
Stock block
Stock heads
Stock intake
Stock tranny
Stock rear end
Stock Suspension pick up points
Stock geometry front suspension (tubular arms for weight)
Stock front hubs
Stock geometry rear suspension (tubular arms for weight)
Stock gas tank
Stock frame
Stock body panels (minus FG hood and rear deck)
It has been "relieved" of much un-needed metal for weight purposes.....but MORE THAN COMPENSATED for by the big/heavy/extensive cage you all worry about....which does NOTHING other than slow me down by the way.....and save my fat *** in crashes. It has Porsche brakes...cause the Camaro brakes wouldn't stop Rylan's car much less mine, and it has some damn nice shocks.....
AND it is 90% built by me in my garage....no race shops.....I just don't get it......sheesh......can't we all just hate on Darrell and the NSX...... :-D
My car has:
Stock block
Stock heads
Stock intake
Stock tranny
Stock rear end
Stock Suspension pick up points
Stock geometry front suspension (tubular arms for weight)
Stock front hubs
Stock geometry rear suspension (tubular arms for weight)
Stock gas tank
Stock frame
Stock body panels (minus FG hood and rear deck)
It has been "relieved" of much un-needed metal for weight purposes.....but MORE THAN COMPENSATED for by the big/heavy/extensive cage you all worry about....which does NOTHING other than slow me down by the way.....and save my fat *** in crashes. It has Porsche brakes...cause the Camaro brakes wouldn't stop Rylan's car much less mine, and it has some damn nice shocks.....
AND it is 90% built by me in my garage....no race shops.....I just don't get it......sheesh......can't we all just hate on Darrell and the NSX...... :-D
01-20-2009, 07:13 PM
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YEAH Right!!
ps.....I LOVE HOW MY CAR IS ALWAYS A "FRINGE" CAR......if not an all out abomination to some.....
My car has:
Stock block From a tractor
Stock heads From nascar
Stock intake from Indy
Stock tranny From the viper
Stock rear end from the tractor pulls
Stock Suspension pick up points from NASA
Stock geometry front suspension (tubular arms for weight) From CART
Stock front hubs From c5R's
Stock geometry rear suspension (tubular arms for weight) From C5Rs
Stock gas tank who cares
Stock frame that you welded together with who knows where you got that front clip
Stock body panels (minus FG hood and rear deck) and fenders,doors, etc etc
It has been "relieved" of much un-needed metal for weight purposes.....but MORE THAN COMPENSATED for by the big/heavy/extensive cage you all worry about....which does NOTHING other than slow me down by the way.....and save my fat *** in crashes. It has Porsche brakes...cause the Camaro brakes wouldn't stop Rylan's car much less mine, and it has some damn nice shocks.....
AND it is 90% built by me in my garage....no race shops....Too bad your racing engineer is YOUR DAD!!!! Must be nice!!
.I just don't get it......sheesh......can't we all just hate on Darrell and the NSX...... :-D
My car has:
Stock block From a tractor
Stock heads From nascar
Stock intake from Indy
Stock tranny From the viper
Stock rear end from the tractor pulls
Stock Suspension pick up points from NASA
Stock geometry front suspension (tubular arms for weight) From CART
Stock front hubs From c5R's
Stock geometry rear suspension (tubular arms for weight) From C5Rs
Stock gas tank who cares
Stock frame that you welded together with who knows where you got that front clip
Stock body panels (minus FG hood and rear deck) and fenders,doors, etc etc
It has been "relieved" of much un-needed metal for weight purposes.....but MORE THAN COMPENSATED for by the big/heavy/extensive cage you all worry about....which does NOTHING other than slow me down by the way.....and save my fat *** in crashes. It has Porsche brakes...cause the Camaro brakes wouldn't stop Rylan's car much less mine, and it has some damn nice shocks.....
AND it is 90% built by me in my garage....no race shops....Too bad your racing engineer is YOUR DAD!!!! Must be nice!!
.I just don't get it......sheesh......can't we all just hate on Darrell and the NSX...... :-D
01-20-2009, 07:46 PM
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My car has:
Stock block From a tractor No....HEAVY *** IRON LT1.....Robert has the NICE LIGHT ALUMINUM LS1
Stock heads From nascar BONE STOCK CASTING....ported and solid roller rockers sure
Stock intake from Indy Not only stock....****TY DESIGN!!!!
Stock tranny From the viper ....and Corvette.....and Camaro....and Mustang....
Stock rear end from the tractor pulls THAT REAR IS SO FRAGILE it is SCARY.....maybe you have seen me pack up early a time or two....."
Stock Suspension pick up points from NASA .....nope Detroit.....stamped steel....
Stock geometry front suspension (tubular arms for weight) From CART ...no UMI...and other drag based suppliers....isn't even RR stuff....
Stock front hubs From c5R's I WISH....**** wears out in 1/2 season
Stock geometry rear suspension (tubular arms for weight) From C5Rs ....uh.....no....cheap aluminum tubes from Coleman for weight.....like $30 apiece....
Stock gas tank who cares ....don't know too much about RACE CAR fabrication do you.....a REAL race car would install/relocate the thing to maximize weight distro.....
Stock frame that you welded together with who knows where you got that front clip ....got pics of the rusted 'ol green front clip if you want to see 'em...
I even have bodywork ala Home Depot.....heavy *** front splitter made from jr. high woodworking tools.....HA!
......you funny!.....
Stock block From a tractor No....HEAVY *** IRON LT1.....Robert has the NICE LIGHT ALUMINUM LS1
Stock heads From nascar BONE STOCK CASTING....ported and solid roller rockers sure
Stock intake from Indy Not only stock....****TY DESIGN!!!!
Stock tranny From the viper ....and Corvette.....and Camaro....and Mustang....
Stock rear end from the tractor pulls THAT REAR IS SO FRAGILE it is SCARY.....maybe you have seen me pack up early a time or two....."
Stock Suspension pick up points from NASA .....nope Detroit.....stamped steel....
Stock geometry front suspension (tubular arms for weight) From CART ...no UMI...and other drag based suppliers....isn't even RR stuff....
Stock front hubs From c5R's I WISH....**** wears out in 1/2 season
Stock geometry rear suspension (tubular arms for weight) From C5Rs ....uh.....no....cheap aluminum tubes from Coleman for weight.....like $30 apiece....
Stock gas tank who cares ....don't know too much about RACE CAR fabrication do you.....a REAL race car would install/relocate the thing to maximize weight distro.....
Stock frame that you welded together with who knows where you got that front clip ....got pics of the rusted 'ol green front clip if you want to see 'em...
I even have bodywork ala Home Depot.....heavy *** front splitter made from jr. high woodworking tools.....HA!
......you funny!.....
01-20-2009, 07:50 PM
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you funny too!
I love razzing you and that 650hp beast.
Hey, actually, with my new motor we are pretty close now. but remember, mine is all stock. no alignment in 6 years, used tires, stock bushings, stock ECU, only a set of headers and some ford injectors as my only performance mods. oh yeah, and my stroker crank and 968 pistons!
only 2 more months of yapping until we can do some racing!
Mk
I love razzing you and that 650hp beast.
Hey, actually, with my new motor we are pretty close now. but remember, mine is all stock. no alignment in 6 years, used tires, stock bushings, stock ECU, only a set of headers and some ford injectors as my only performance mods. oh yeah, and my stroker crank and 968 pistons!
only 2 more months of yapping until we can do some racing!
Mk
My car has:
Stock block From a tractor No....LT1.....Robert has the NICE LIGHT LS1
Stock heads From nascar BONE STOCK CASTING....ported and solid roller rockers sure
Stock intake from Indy Not only stock....****TY DESIGN!!!!
Stock tranny From the viper ....and Corvette.....and Camaro....and Mustang....
Stock rear end from the tractor pulls THAT REAR IS SO FRAGILE it is SCARY.....maybe you have seen me pack up early a time or two....."
Stock Suspension pick up points from NASA .....nope Detroit.....stamped steel....
Stock geometry front suspension (tubular arms for weight) From CART ...no UMI...and other drag based suppliers....isn't even RR stuff....
Stock front hubs From c5R's I WISH....**** wears out in 1/2 season
Stock geometry rear suspension (tubular arms for weight) From C5Rs ....uh.....no....cheap aluminum tubes from Coleman for weight.....like $30 apiece....
Stock gas tank who cares ....don't know too much about RACE CAR fabrication do you.....a REAL race car would install/relocate the thing to maximize weight distro.....
Stock frame that you welded together with who knows where you got that front clip ....got pics of the rusted 'ol green front clip if you want to see 'em...
......you funny!.....
Stock block From a tractor No....LT1.....Robert has the NICE LIGHT LS1
Stock heads From nascar BONE STOCK CASTING....ported and solid roller rockers sure
Stock intake from Indy Not only stock....****TY DESIGN!!!!
Stock tranny From the viper ....and Corvette.....and Camaro....and Mustang....
Stock rear end from the tractor pulls THAT REAR IS SO FRAGILE it is SCARY.....maybe you have seen me pack up early a time or two....."
Stock Suspension pick up points from NASA .....nope Detroit.....stamped steel....
Stock geometry front suspension (tubular arms for weight) From CART ...no UMI...and other drag based suppliers....isn't even RR stuff....
Stock front hubs From c5R's I WISH....**** wears out in 1/2 season
Stock geometry rear suspension (tubular arms for weight) From C5Rs ....uh.....no....cheap aluminum tubes from Coleman for weight.....like $30 apiece....
Stock gas tank who cares ....don't know too much about RACE CAR fabrication do you.....a REAL race car would install/relocate the thing to maximize weight distro.....
Stock frame that you welded together with who knows where you got that front clip ....got pics of the rusted 'ol green front clip if you want to see 'em...
......you funny!.....
01-20-2009, 07:53 PM
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looks like bolts right on!
Dont worry, im with ya! Lets pick on mustang and NSX !! AND Rylan, if bolts more power on. I thought he wanted to race us!
mk
Dont worry, im with ya! Lets pick on mustang and NSX !! AND Rylan, if bolts more power on. I thought he wanted to race us!
mk
My car has:
Stock block From a tractor No....HEAVY *** IRON LT1.....Robert has the NICE LIGHT ALUMINUM LS1
Stock heads From nascar BONE STOCK CASTING....ported and solid roller rockers sure
Stock intake from Indy Not only stock....****TY DESIGN!!!!
Stock tranny From the viper ....and Corvette.....and Camaro....and Mustang....
Stock rear end from the tractor pulls THAT REAR IS SO FRAGILE it is SCARY.....maybe you have seen me pack up early a time or two....."
Stock Suspension pick up points from NASA .....nope Detroit.....stamped steel....
Stock geometry front suspension (tubular arms for weight) From CART ...no UMI...and other drag based suppliers....isn't even RR stuff....
Stock front hubs From c5R's I WISH....**** wears out in 1/2 season
Stock geometry rear suspension (tubular arms for weight) From C5Rs ....uh.....no....cheap aluminum tubes from Coleman for weight.....like $30 apiece....
Stock gas tank who cares ....don't know too much about RACE CAR fabrication do you.....a REAL race car would install/relocate the thing to maximize weight distro.....
Stock frame that you welded together with who knows where you got that front clip ....got pics of the rusted 'ol green front clip if you want to see 'em...
......you funny!.....
Stock block From a tractor No....HEAVY *** IRON LT1.....Robert has the NICE LIGHT ALUMINUM LS1
Stock heads From nascar BONE STOCK CASTING....ported and solid roller rockers sure
Stock intake from Indy Not only stock....****TY DESIGN!!!!
Stock tranny From the viper ....and Corvette.....and Camaro....and Mustang....
Stock rear end from the tractor pulls THAT REAR IS SO FRAGILE it is SCARY.....maybe you have seen me pack up early a time or two....."
Stock Suspension pick up points from NASA .....nope Detroit.....stamped steel....
Stock geometry front suspension (tubular arms for weight) From CART ...no UMI...and other drag based suppliers....isn't even RR stuff....
Stock front hubs From c5R's I WISH....**** wears out in 1/2 season
Stock geometry rear suspension (tubular arms for weight) From C5Rs ....uh.....no....cheap aluminum tubes from Coleman for weight.....like $30 apiece....
Stock gas tank who cares ....don't know too much about RACE CAR fabrication do you.....a REAL race car would install/relocate the thing to maximize weight distro.....
Stock frame that you welded together with who knows where you got that front clip ....got pics of the rusted 'ol green front clip if you want to see 'em...
......you funny!.....
01-20-2009, 09:09 PM
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you funny too!
I love razzing you and that 650hp beast.
Hey, actually, with my new motor we are pretty close now. but remember, mine is all stock. no alignment in 6 years, used tires, stock bushings, stock ECU, only a set of headers and some ford injectors as my only performance mods. oh yeah, and my stroker crank and 968 pistons!
only 2 more months of yapping until we can do some racing!
Mk
I love razzing you and that 650hp beast.
Hey, actually, with my new motor we are pretty close now. but remember, mine is all stock. no alignment in 6 years, used tires, stock bushings, stock ECU, only a set of headers and some ford injectors as my only performance mods. oh yeah, and my stroker crank and 968 pistons!
only 2 more months of yapping until we can do some racing!
Mk
....oh your days of touting stock are over my friend....if you are gonna bad mouth my stroker motor.....you gotta drop that count on your beast....sorry
OH YEAH....and I have a stock PCM too......and Ford injectors too.....see you are on the slippery slope my friend.....give it up.....
01-20-2009, 10:34 PM
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Yep, the stock song has ended. Now all I have to fall back on is my 7 year old aligment , used tires and blown out shocks.
mk
mk
....oh your days of touting stock are over my friend....if you are gonna bad mouth my stroker motor.....you gotta drop that count on your beast....sorry
OH YEAH....and I have a stock PCM too......and Ford injectors too.....see you are on the slippery slope my friend.....give it up.....
OH YEAH....and I have a stock PCM too......and Ford injectors too.....see you are on the slippery slope my friend.....give it up.....
01-21-2009, 02:46 AM
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Shoot, a $79 Pep Boys alignment, a set of tires with a manufacturer date from within the past 2 years, and some Kragen shocks and you would have had the championship.....but oh well....
01-21-2009, 04:41 PM
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removing the vacuum hose on my alternator might have given me a shot at the championship! (or a bigger battery). Tires were '07 throw aways and very good, probably as good as new, and I do check my alignment, however, a little too much rear toe in might be causing my push, which has been a little worse over the past few seasons.
I might splurg and get the free alignement assesment.
mk
I might splurg and get the free alignement assesment.
mk