Coming Soon: Canards
10-17-2008, 04:42 AM
#46
There is at least 1 effect that is far from questionable:
Very effective debate-generators !
Things really started rolling. Wonder if there is any other Rennlist thread that triggered so much debate over so short time.
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Very effective debate-generators !
Things really started rolling. Wonder if there is any other Rennlist thread that triggered so much debate over so short time.
Ragnar
10-17-2008, 08:18 AM
#47
ITS BS! its a tacked on piece of sheet aluminum
if you believe thats going to make your 928 handle like a GT3
I'm reserving any other flames/props until Carl gets some numbers and stats
10-17-2008, 11:01 AM
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Ryan, as I said I have no use for them however well they may or may not work. Since subtle doesn't seem to be getting across, I'll be blunt: I don't think it's doing anyone any good, you being such a dick about the way you express your skepticism.
Personally, I have no interest in having you think one way or another about this or any other product, but I don't think it's too much to ask that you be decent about what you do have to say.
Personally, I have no interest in having you think one way or another about this or any other product, but I don't think it's too much to ask that you be decent about what you do have to say.
I should tone it down. Your a guy who I've never met but who's opinion I do respect.
Carl, sincerest appologies, I am sorry for carrying on like a dip ****, or for being Douchey.
I appologize, my posts did become insane ranting and that does no one any good. I do still strongly disagree with you though.
We should just argue over beers instead!
Cheers!
Unfortunately things can too often get out of hand here. But in the end, we do all love the same car. So that makes us all a family in a way.
10-17-2008, 11:28 AM
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Carl, 
I think you struck out this time. Me no likey. the ones on that 911 Kibort posted above are sweet. Back to the drawing board.
Don't be too discouraged. Remember how much we all liked the one piece front end?
I think you struck out this time. Me no likey. the ones on that 911 Kibort posted above are sweet. Back to the drawing board. Don't be too discouraged. Remember how much we all liked the one piece front end?
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10-17-2008, 11:32 AM
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Les Canards are ducks which at this time of the year become the attention folks and there 12 gauges............thats what would happen if someone put these 'canard' on my car.
I believe you have the input requested Carl...........love most of the rest of your stuff though
I believe you have the input requested Carl...........love most of the rest of your stuff though
10-17-2008, 11:44 AM
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You know what Dave, your absolutely right.
I should tone it down. Your a guy who I've never met but who's opinion I do respect.
Carl, sincerest appologies, I am sorry for carrying on like a dip ****, or for being Douchey.
I appologize, my posts did become insane ranting and that does no one any good. I do still strongly disagree with you though.
We should just argue over beers instead!
Cheers!
Unfortunately things can too often get out of hand here. But in the end, we do all love the same car. So that makes us all a family in a way.
I should tone it down. Your a guy who I've never met but who's opinion I do respect.
Carl, sincerest appologies, I am sorry for carrying on like a dip ****, or for being Douchey.
I appologize, my posts did become insane ranting and that does no one any good. I do still strongly disagree with you though.
We should just argue over beers instead!
Cheers!
Unfortunately things can too often get out of hand here. But in the end, we do all love the same car. So that makes us all a family in a way.
10-17-2008, 12:08 PM
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Dont like them. Dangerous...looked "tacked on"..Perhaps on a track car but not on the street. Id nail myself in the shin every time id walk around my car in the garage.
Aerodynamics are a touchy subject. What you think is good may disrupt the aerodynamics of the car as a whole. Whose to say that the canard wouldnt disrupte the airflow up the side of the car and towards the roofline making the outer 8 inches of the rear wing ineffective. Just saying.
10-17-2008, 12:21 PM
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There is little about aerodynamics that is intuative and what LOOKS GOOD very often is NOT....and what looks BAD just might be GOOD NASCAR with the new body cars with a real splitter and a real rear wing are all having a very hard time adjusting to all the differences in how the cars handle and behave in traffic. Carl just keep on swinging not ever hit needs to be a homerun ! Doc last time I checked airplanes were NOT trying to create downforce
NASCAR with the new body cars with a real splitter and a real rear wing are all having a very hard time adjusting to all the differences in how the cars handle and behave in traffic. Carl just keep on swinging not ever hit needs to be a homerun ! Doc last time I checked airplanes were NOT trying to create downforce
10-17-2008, 12:47 PM
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Wonder how much difference it would make to create a curved piece that picks up the air from just under the driving/fog lights and then scoops the air around and up towards the top of the front wheel opening.
With the trailing edge of the 'dive plane' tapering towards the body so shins are less in danger.
The only thing that scares me about the "le canard" right now are the 2 pointy corners that's bound to cause lower appendage grief. I'd round them off cause I'd shirley keep walking into them.
Just a thought.
With CF it shouldn't make that much of a difference laying up a flat piece versus a more complex 3D curved piece, is it?
And with the piece in black, it'd be less obvious than the shiny one Carl posted up. I think I missed page 3 so forgive me if that's been done already.
With the trailing edge of the 'dive plane' tapering towards the body so shins are less in danger.
The only thing that scares me about the "le canard" right now are the 2 pointy corners that's bound to cause lower appendage grief. I'd round them off cause I'd shirley keep walking into them.
Just a thought.
With CF it shouldn't make that much of a difference laying up a flat piece versus a more complex 3D curved piece, is it?
And with the piece in black, it'd be less obvious than the shiny one Carl posted up. I think I missed page 3 so forgive me if that's been done already.
10-17-2008, 12:55 PM
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First of all, everyone STOP calling them canards! second, work on something that will work like some type of splitter, or rear wing mounts. These dive planes dont do anything and look kind of funny without the other elements needed to make them realize the advantages you are thinking they will provide.
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10-17-2008, 12:59 PM
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did you notice with my dive planes that are integrated into the splitter, that i have not increased frontal area at all? i designed them to make an "air shelf" that guided the air spilling off the nose and re-routed from going under the car, to the side of the car. the dive plane just fills the voild where the air would normally be able to leak under the car or hit the tire, now it is guided to the outside. the little dive plane at the end, alows for some added downforce by kicking the air up with the curved dive plane.
Wonder how much difference it would make to create a curved piece that picks up the air from just under the driving/fog lights and then scoops the air around and up towards the top of the front wheel opening.
With the trailing edge of the 'dive plane' tapering towards the body so shins are less in danger.
The only thing that scares me about the "le canard" right now are the 2 pointy corners that's bound to cause lower appendage grief. I'd round them off cause I'd shirley keep walking into them.
Just a thought.
With CF it shouldn't make that much of a difference laying up a flat piece versus a more complex 3D curved piece, is it?
And with the piece in black, it'd be less obvious than the shiny one Carl posted up. I think I missed page 3 so forgive me if that's been done already.
With the trailing edge of the 'dive plane' tapering towards the body so shins are less in danger.
The only thing that scares me about the "le canard" right now are the 2 pointy corners that's bound to cause lower appendage grief. I'd round them off cause I'd shirley keep walking into them.
Just a thought.
With CF it shouldn't make that much of a difference laying up a flat piece versus a more complex 3D curved piece, is it?
And with the piece in black, it'd be less obvious than the shiny one Carl posted up. I think I missed page 3 so forgive me if that's been done already.
10-17-2008, 01:14 PM
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10-17-2008, 01:17 PM
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Just mess'n with yaThe only drag we create on purpose is vi the wing/ground spoilers...you see them deploy on landing, popping up from the wing. Nascar has a similar feature on the roof hatch whne the car spins sideways on its way to being backwards...roof panel pops up..kills lift.