JKelly

Man that is great video. You wouldn't believe it unless you saw it. There it is at :11 /:15 Mark A completely had the line and the other car was trying to wedge himself in between the wall and Mark's car. The missed gear makes no difference. The guy was taking the same line anyway......he could have even been pinched worse if Mark had connected with his gear sooner.

Bill Ball

That's true. I think when you see the car shoot forward into Mark, at least part of his momentum was from a hit by the yellow car. There were yellow spoiler pieces littering the area.

Black Sea RD

Looking at that video the only cars that need to be DQ'd and given a 13/13 are the video car and the car that got squeezed. The video car for smacking the rear of the squeezed car and the squeezed car for trying a very innappropriate move for a "club race." It was if there was a million dollar purse they were going after. Mark A. who was in front of both of them had no control over what happened behind him.

Missing a shift unintentionally does not to me constitute a DQ and 13/13 violation. Like Greg B. has already mentioned, if that's the new standard, there would not be very many racers left in any race organization. I say bad call from the officials and if I were Mark A. with so much time in the POC I would contest these findings.

Arm chair race official,
Constantine

Fabio421

So a 13/13 means you are out for 13 races or 13 months whichever is longer? Please clarify.

Thanks

mark kibort

it means for the next 13 months, if you get in another body contact event, even off track alone and cause damage to yourself, you are banned for 13months.
I think it was really BS that they sent mark home after this, after all, it was kind of one of those "racing" incidents. no one really could have avoided it, except maybe the car fitting through the closing space before start finish.

Man, that 928 is TOUGH!

mk

zekgb

I don't take the squeezed car's move as anything more than a split second decision on the best way to avoid Mark's slowing car, it did not appear to me as some kamikaze passing attempt. I don't think he had much control over the car once he gets hit from behind, and as I said earlier (and thought in real time even before seeing the video) the yellow car's jump on the start and contact with the squeezed car is the real cause of the wreck.

sweanders

I have been in the exact same situation as the video wallkisser. You can even see in the video that he lifts and then after the decision to pass guns it. I did the same thing but luckily had a gravel trap to use.

He made the decision to pass, as any racer would do. It is one of those risks that is part of the game.

mark kibort

I still dont see the contact besides when he hits door to side with anderson.
are you talking about the filming car touching the rear bumper as he makes his move? I dont think there was contact there, and if so, it didnt effect the doomed 911 turbo

mk

IcemanG17

This is what Anderson got DQ'd for...what a joke....sure he slowed a little bit, but the turbo that wrecked seriously jumped the start and put himself in a bad line.....both the guy that wrecked and the camera car should also have been DQ'd but I'm sure they didn't since they are rear engine cars....

Black Sea RD

I obviuosly see it very differently and to me it was a kamikaze move, one that should be penalized for poor judgement during a bunched up race start.

This move was by a racer that has driven the track and should now the track squeezes a bit at the start/finish. What he should have done is step a bit on his brake, not whip his car in front of an overtaking car to his left and then place himself into a squeeze play between Mark A.'s 928 and the wall.

And the video car rear ending the other is also a no no. But I have to say from the video it's not really apparent the video car rear ended the squeezed car, it seems as if the squeezed car runs into (rubs) the nose of the video car as he tries to get in front.

I really can't see how Mark A. deserves what he got when these two racers who caused the ruckus are getting away free.

Just my opinion,
Constantine

mark kibort

How come i cant see the rear ender??? It looks like it was close, but no contact.

mk

zekgb

Mark there definitely was a hit, there were bits of yellow spoiler littered all over the place. In real time from the tower it looked like a chain reaction, not like car gets rear ended, drives away and then has a second incident.

mark kibort

maybe its him hitting the walll. I havent watched it with sound in a while. sounds like, and from his steering inputs, its running against the wall!

mk

Black Sea RD

Mark, I agree, but those that were there saw pieces of the video car on the track and believe the video car ran into the other.

Be careful out there,
Constantine

zekgb

When are Joe and Mark going to weigh in here anyway?