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Old 12-20-2007, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Enzo

None of the fine units I've had the pleasure to drive fall under that catagory.
From the ones I was in the C5 was vast improvement over the C4 but still creaked a bit more than I would be comfortable with. None of my Porsche's have ever made as much noise as the C5's but the C5 was not as bad as the Dodge's I have owned . The C6 is a vast improvement over the C5 and the C6 ZO6 is down right mean looking with quite an impressive interior compared to previous models.

I find it interesting how most Vette owners I know have great respect for the 928. Not all of them agree about the 911's though.
Old 12-20-2007, 01:24 PM
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...And quit bashing each other over who's is bigger and who's is better. Mine's better, just ask. In the meanwhile, leave the schoolyard stuff on OT or Pelican.
Old 12-20-2007, 01:27 PM
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dr. bob?
sorry but i never bashed anyone. simply stated my opinion.
never said anything i have is better of bigger.
i said we shouldn't be comparing these two cars. WAY DIFFERENT.

ENZO.. SHUT UP... you're the butt tool that got us in trouble.
how's that for school yard
i NEVER said you couldn't have an opinion. i stated mine.
i've owned, you've driven. i paid for the right to have my vette opinion your a sideline cheerleader. go buy a vette, invest your time and money and passion keeping it detailed and road worthy. then come back and talk about things. you'll agree. THEY WEAR OUT TOO FAST.... i feel like i wasted my money TWICE. C4 and C5.....

the new vette for 2009.
620 HP, 200+ MPH, 100,000.00 price tag.
actually not a bad deal all things considered. and they look fast and mean.

again, owned a couple already and i wasn't impressed with the way they wear. very fun, fast but wear out too quickly.
this new one for 2008 seems to be an entirely different approach so.... we'll see.
i'll refrain from posturing on this new vette and hopefully one of my dear friends will take the plunge next year.

all in fun. and sorry for the toes i stepped on. mainly ENZO

how'd you like that butt tool comment? got that from my 17 year old nephew.
Old 12-20-2007, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SwayBar
2009 620 hp ZR1 'Blue Devil' Corvette:

http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/foru...72#post1022772

Be the first kid on the block to own one!
With an Eaton blower, no less!
Old 12-20-2007, 01:53 PM
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If the Vette body is still fiberglass (I assume it is, but I haven't kept up with Vette development), this is one glaring weakness. It simply will not hold up over time and in an accident it contributes nothing to the integrity of the car. A Vette crashed in one of our open road race events and there wasn't a panel left on after it finished rolling. It disintegrated. My 66, as much as I loved it, had paint checking and small cracks all over the body.

I read where a lot of the 09 ZR1 front is carbonfiber, and that in order to prevent deterioration of some exposed fiber in the splitter they developed a special clearcoat that is $2000 a gallon. Be very careful pulling into parking spaces!
Old 12-20-2007, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Ball
With an Eaton blower, no less!
It is going to be a bad boy, with out a doubt.
Old 12-20-2007, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Ball
If the Vette body is still fiberglass (I assume it is, but I haven't kept up with Vette development), this is one glaring weakness. It simply will not hold up over time and in an accident it contributes nothing to the integrity of the car. A Vette crashed in one of our open road race events and there wasn't a panel left on after it finished rolling. It disintegrated. My 66, as much as I loved it, had paint checking and small cracks all over the body.

I read where a lot of the 09 ZR1 front is carbonfiber, and that in order to prevent deterioration of some exposed fiber in the splitter they developed a special clearcoat that is $2000 a gallon. Be very careful pulling into parking spaces!
Actually it read the additive is $6000 a gallon and when mixed with clear it becomes $2000 a gallon. Do you think they will sell the clear already mixed or the part already painted? Sounds like a low curb can cost $10k if your not careful. I like the cheap replaceable GT3 front spoiler approach better myself.

I am also assuming like the previous Zr1 this will be limited production and most likely very few of these cars will be actually driven.
Old 12-20-2007, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by cobalt
Actually it read the additive is $6000 a gallon and when mixed with clear it becomes $2000 a gallon. Do you think they will sell the clear already mixed or the part already painted? Sounds like a low curb can cost $10k if your not careful. I like the cheap replaceable GT3 front spoiler approach better myself.

I am also assuming like the previous Zr1 this will be limited production and most likely very few of these cars will be actually driven.
I know of a few guys that drive the crap out of the old ZR-1's, but there are some problems.
The biggest is, spare parts, many like the windshield and the ECM are just not available any more.

And the Corvette may be called fiberglass, but since the introduction of the C4 it is SMC.

I am not really sure what the difference is, but I do know there is one.
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Originally Posted by blown 87
I know of a few guys that drive the crap out of the old ZR-1's, but there are some problems.
The biggest is, spare parts, many like the windshield and the ECM are just not available any more.

And the Corvette may be called fiberglass, but since the introduction of the C4 it is SMC.

I am not really sure what the difference is, but I do know there is one.
How about this

SMC is a polyester-based material, but it cannot be repaired with polyester resin. This is due to the mold release agent that is present throughout the entire SMC part. Unlike conventionally molded parts where release agents are applied to the mold surface, SMC is compounded with them in the resin mix for quicker processing. This means that as the damage is sanded to prepare a good bonding surface, fresh mold release agent is exposed. Polyester resin products are not strong enough to adhere to this surface. SMC SHOULD ONLY BE REPAIRED USING EPOXY-BASED RESINS, FILLERS AND ADHESIVES. When painting, use only catalyzed type paint systems.
Old 12-20-2007, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by blown 87
The biggest is, spare parts, many like the windshield and the ECM are just not available any more.
Hmmm... limited and declining (or no) availability of new replacement parts. Low unit number, exclusive production. Why does this sound so familiar?
Old 12-20-2007, 02:29 PM
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That will work.

Two things I dont do to cars, paint (body work) and upholstery. I have tried it and it was not pretty.

One thing that I do find interesting is that what you say is that you should not try to paint a C4 or later with lacquer.

Never knew that, not that I would use it, cool.

Originally Posted by cobalt
How about this

SMC is a polyester-based material, but it cannot be repaired with polyester resin. This is due to the mold release agent that is present throughout the entire SMC part. Unlike conventionally molded parts where release agents are applied to the mold surface, SMC is compounded with them in the resin mix for quicker processing. This means that as the damage is sanded to prepare a good bonding surface, fresh mold release agent is exposed. Polyester resin products are not strong enough to adhere to this surface. SMC SHOULD ONLY BE REPAIRED USING EPOXY-BASED RESINS, FILLERS AND ADHESIVES. When painting, use only catalyzed type paint systems.
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Originally Posted by worf928
Hmmm... limited and declining (or no) availability of new replacement parts. Low unit number, exclusive production. Why does this sound so familiar?
Same old song, ain't it.

GM is much worse than Porsche is about this, and Ford is with out a doubt, one of the worse of the bunch for parts going NLA.

I have seen two or three year old fords that needed a P/S line and you cant get one.

I cant make any money repairing cars if I cant get the parts to do so.
Old 12-20-2007, 02:41 PM
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Whats odd is the ZR1 will be about 200lbs heavier than the standard Z06......sure the extra 115hp 125 torque more than make up for it......but for a serious track beast....the standard Z06 is probably the better choice...that plus $30+K less too
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Originally Posted by IcemanG17
Whats odd is the ZR1 will be about 200lbs heavier than the standard Z06......sure the extra 115hp 125 torque more than make up for it......but for a serious track beast....the standard Z06 is probably the better choice...that plus $30+K less too

Just what the Corvette driver needs on the track, more power.

Right, Sway?
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Originally Posted by Daymon66
i said we shouldn't be comparing these two cars. WAY DIFFERENT.
Four wheels, front engine, V8.....disc brakes, two doors....vette is faster.....ok I see your point.
Originally Posted by Daymon66
ENZO.. SHUT UP
Wow - when did my sister join Rennlist?
Originally Posted by Daymon66
you're the butt tool that got us in trouble.
Who's in trouble?
Originally Posted by Daymon66
how's that for school yard
Bike racks or flag pole at recess? Keep it above the belt this time.
Originally Posted by Daymon66
i NEVER said you couldn't have an opinion. i stated mine.
......and you keep saying it like I'm going to suddenly agree.
Originally Posted by Daymon66
i've owned, you've driven.
Add track side support and pit crew for 15 some odd years to my resume please. Not 15 straight years, some dry time, but you get the idea.
Originally Posted by Daymon66
i paid for the right to have my vette opinion
You have to pay to have an opinion now? When did Hillary win the election?
Originally Posted by Daymon66
your a sideline cheerleader. go buy a vette, invest your time and money and passion keeping it detailed and road worthy. then come back and talk about things
WOW - if you only knew.
Originally Posted by Daymon66
you'll agree.
No I will not.
Originally Posted by Daymon66
THEY WEAR OUT TOO FAST
The two you owned might have, I'm not going to argue that. The MAJORITY of the vette's I'm around are just fine.
Originally Posted by Daymon66
.... i feel like i wasted my money TWICE. C4 and C5.....
Do a search on any car forum, you will find the same story with any car. Even here on Rennlist about the 928.
Originally Posted by Daymon66
all in fun. and sorry for the toes i stepped on. mainly ENZO
No toes here, just hate blaket statements made about any car. Some say 928's are unreliable. I disagree with those people too.
Originally Posted by Daymon66
how'd you like that butt tool comment?
Had me thinking dad really bought the Corvette's
Originally Posted by Daymon66
got that from my 17 year old nephew.
It shows.
Originally Posted by IcemanG17
Whats odd is the ZR1 will be about 200lbs heavier than the standard Z06......sure the extra 115hp 125 torque more than make up for it......but for a serious track beast....the standard Z06 is probably the better choice...that plus $30+K less too
I do not seen the exact weight yet, but more of the ZR1's body was lightened over the ZO6.

The brakes are also upgraded.


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