FMR SPY

This is probably a good question for Nicole.

I have a friend who wants to buy a 911, he is willing to drop 50-60,000 on a porsche. He likes my 928 but doesn't believe the 928 out handles the 911. <img border="0" alt="[nono]" title="" src="graemlins/nono.gif" />

Are there any magazine articles out there documenting that the 928 handles better?

Weissach

If he is willing to drop $50-60 on a Porsche, it's going to be a 996. The 996 is NOT a 911. And yes, a 996 does handle better than a 928.

Ed Ruiz

Even if at one time the 928 handled better than its 911 cousin (and that's a big "IF") the 928's suspension is/was 1970's technology. The suspension on the 996 is at least 20 years newer.

Moreover, 911s and their more recent version, the 996 have always been lighter than their 928 counterpart. When it comes to handling, weight is the enemy. If you ever want to see proof of that, watch (or better yet - participate in) an autocross where 914s are running. They usually are the quickest Porsches running, especially on tight courses. On more open courses, the cars with more HP tend to do better.

That is why 911s tend to be better all-around performance cars than 928s. They may not have as much HP, but they are lighter, and that counts for a lot. Their rear weight bias makes them a bit more of a handful, but in the hands of an experienced 911 driver, the 911's tendency to oversteer can be used to the driver's advantage. In the hands of a not-so experienced driver - watch out! YMMV.

Ron_H

To illustrate Ed's last point, get a copy of the video of the Ruf Yellowbird entitled "Fazination"
(sp?)to see how rear weight bias can be used to advantage.

BC

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FMR SPY

He really would like a couple year old 911 but has also seen a 99 carrera 4 for $50,000

Since the carrera 4 is all wheel drive I'm sure it would toast the 928 in handling.

He just does not believe the 80s and early 90s 911 were worse than the 928

mark kibort

4wdr, only helps in rain. In a racing situation, it really doesnt help much.

The 911s Ive seen, and Ive seen some of the best in the world on the track. (and driven some myself), handles fine. its different, but they both handle very well. the 928 is more neutral, but the 911 is usually lighter. in pure stock form, the 911 is so much lighter that it will usually out handle the 928 based on weight alone. However, start talking about turbos and 4wd 911s where the weight is 3400lbs, and you have pretty comparable handling cars. Only a real pro could notice the subtle advantages that both do have.

95 GTS vs 95 993, the 928 will be the better all around racer and will handle as well, especially if you turn both of them into race cars and do the same mods. same thing, but more so, for 87 vs 87, and so one.

Drive a GTS and then get back to us!! 350hp and 3500lbs vs 280hp and 3050lbs. the 911 of that year, was the first year that porsche incorporated the weisache rear end.

MK

QUOTE]Originally posted by FMR SPY:
<strong>He really would like a couple year old 911 but has also seen a 99 carrera 4 for $50,000

Since the carrera 4 is all wheel drive I'm sure it would toast the 928 in handling.

He just does not believe the 80s and early 90s 911 were worse than the 928</strong>[/QUOTE]

TAREK

Isn't it a question of opinion, experience, and driving style? The assumption is that he wants to decide on the better handling car. But what does that mean? around cones or on highway onramps or at the track? A very strong case can be made for both. He should drive both and decide for himself. His interaction with the car and his satisfaction with it is what matters most. chances are, both have far more handling capabilities that his driving skills can handle...unless he's an accomplished racer or fanatic driver....in which case he wouldn't need an opinion from us

PeteS

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by TAREK:
<strong>chances are, both have far more handling capabilities that his driving skills can handle</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">My thoughts exactly. Chances are that either one is capable of better handling than he's capable of driving it. That's the case the vast majority of the time anyway.

Brent 89-GT

Better handling? Where? When you start talking about spending $50-60K on a Porsche, what are we talking about? Does he intend to club race? Is this to be a daily driver? Is it going to be a "fun car" for the street and occaisional track event?

At any rate, I would be awfully tempted by a 911 if I was going to spend that kind of money. The 996 is an extremely accomplished machine. Personally, for that kind of money I would be looking at a 993 C4S, raw and capable, drop dead gorgeous and plenty reliable.

I just don't think the 928 can compete that level anymore. I dearly love my car but it would be out of its league dollar for dollar. I like the GTS but, I would be driving a 911 if I chose to spend that much on a P-Car.

BC

Given that the thread has shifted a bit to what Porsche for 60k, then I would take a GTS for 35, and spend 25 on Suspension, Brakes, and a Power adder of some sort (Bore +Supercharge), and at that point, I would believe that in capable hands, the GTS would do quite well on the track against a 996 or 993. You could also bring your track tires to the tran IN the car instead of in a trailer. I wouldlove to have a 993. That or a 996. Both are so great to me because there is just SO MUCH in the aftermarket for those cars, youc ould easily customize it to your tastes.

ErnestSw

I drove a 69 Mustang Mach I 4bbl 351 for a couple of years in the late 80s. No matter how much money you put into ANY 69 Mustang (including a Boss 429), you'll never get the capability of a modern Mustang. That goes for the 928 as well. If you spend 25K on the suspension, brakes, engine and etc. what you'll have is no longer a 928 but a wannabe 996 with a longer wheelbase and more weight.
The 928 needs no apologies for what it is, but it's a 30+ year old design that was ahead of its time and time has marched on.

BC

It just that feeling that I don't have to worry about lifting in a corner because I don't have an engine sitting behind my rear axle WISHING to be be in front.

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

BC

Does the 996 have front Dual A-arms - the most advantageous for geometry? What about the rear suspension?

I am asking because the 996 is a big jump from the 993, or so many say. The 993 and earlier 911ss had Crap for suspension, but Porshce did Miracles with them.

TAREK

WHOAAAAAAA !!!!!!!!!!! That's one big statement there!

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by BrendanCampion:
<strong>The 993 and earlier 911ss had Crap for suspension, but Porshce did Miracles with them.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">