I NEED BOOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (beaten by SRT-4)
10-28-2005, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by URIN 2ND
Whoa there tiger, simmer down! I can compare those two cars exactly the same way the 928 guys are making comparisons (not all of the 928's talking about bouts with SRT's have been stock in this thread). How is that any different? Second, lack of driver experience has EVERYTHING to do with what a car is capable of...reason being, a car isn't capable of ANYTHING unless it has a driver with the skills to get it rolling, and rolling quickly. I've beaten so many cars that should have tore me a new one because of crappy drivers at the wheel. In the real world, a human drives the car you're racing...not a robot. So variables most certainly count. You don't see LeMans winners in the GT category place in front of an LM car, but then the LM gets placed ahead overall because "even though he went slower, the car is capable of going faster on paper", do you?
As for the Corrado...they are slow. Period. A stock G60 is a 1.8L SOHC 8V with 8.3 psi, and it's built/geared to run at sustained high speeds. They would be lucky to run a 15.9 stock, with a 7.5 0-60...but they CAN reach (and hold) about 140mph, and remain stable doing so. As for the handling, I can't say...but the only other FWD car to have such praises bestowed on it in the handling dept. is the Honda/Acura Teg Type-R. The G60 handles well for a FWD.
Brand loyalty? What's that? I have a Volvo and a Porsche. Before that, a Mitsubishi. A bunch of VW's. A Ford Mustang (LX 5.0L). A Plymouth K-Car. A Buick Regal.
I am the first one to sing the praises of having an open mind. And I do. But that doesn't also mean I can't can't have my own opinion. And in my opinion, I would never own a Neon. They have a second rate build quality, and most domestics have chincy plasticy interiors that just scream "cheap". Hell, even the C5 suffered the same things. See the Top Gear review/road test on that one? I'm just not a fan of domestics. Doesn't mean they can't still go fast. My Ford was fast. But it was still a POS.
Like so many in here are trying to say...you polish a turd, and you still end up with a shiny turd.
Beep beep. Hi!
As for the Corrado...they are slow. Period. A stock G60 is a 1.8L SOHC 8V with 8.3 psi, and it's built/geared to run at sustained high speeds. They would be lucky to run a 15.9 stock, with a 7.5 0-60...but they CAN reach (and hold) about 140mph, and remain stable doing so. As for the handling, I can't say...but the only other FWD car to have such praises bestowed on it in the handling dept. is the Honda/Acura Teg Type-R. The G60 handles well for a FWD.
Brand loyalty? What's that? I have a Volvo and a Porsche. Before that, a Mitsubishi. A bunch of VW's. A Ford Mustang (LX 5.0L). A Plymouth K-Car. A Buick Regal.
I am the first one to sing the praises of having an open mind. And I do. But that doesn't also mean I can't can't have my own opinion. And in my opinion, I would never own a Neon. They have a second rate build quality, and most domestics have chincy plasticy interiors that just scream "cheap". Hell, even the C5 suffered the same things. See the Top Gear review/road test on that one? I'm just not a fan of domestics. Doesn't mean they can't still go fast. My Ford was fast. But it was still a POS.
Like so many in here are trying to say...you polish a turd, and you still end up with a shiny turd.
Beep beep. Hi!
I'm sorry if I came across too strongly. However for new car under $2500 you can’t get a better value than that. If it’s a turd we might as well cal it TURBO LAX!
10-28-2005, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by James-man
And that shiny fugly turd just might be a whole lotta fun to drive for a year or two.
10-28-2005, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by URIN 2ND
As for the Saab...you wouldn't do that on an otherwise stock car, as the guy was suggesting (he said the mod cost $1.50). You aren't gonna get very far running 26psi with stock injectors. 
. Not very far? Did I mention I was running like this for a year already?The point is that pretty much any turbo car can have up to 50hp (or more) added to it with no *real* modification. The turbos put into cars are never running at 100% load. It's usually more like 70% or less. Also, the fuel systems (at least in all the turbo cars I've seen) are designed to handle the limit of the turbo installed running at 100% + safety margin.
Also, I believe the SRT-4 has an option for FWD LSD...
Anyway, the real point of all this is that a Turbo 928 kicks so much a$$! Hey Mark R., is the kit ready or what??
Dan
'86 928S 5-spd w/LSD
10-28-2005, 02:40 PM
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Dan,
That's nuts! What's the stock boost level on that Saab? I know if I un-corked a stock 740/940 on pump gas (91 here in CA), and went from 7.4 psi (stock) to 26 psi (no wastegate) with NO other mods, she might last about 5 minutes before melting pistons. The bricks do it, but usually not without 36# injectors and higher than 91 octane (usually 100). Then again, the stock turbo on my car is nothing but a heater anywhere above 12 lbs, where it completely loses it's efficiency. The 850T's 15G has a little more steam. What's the stock compressor in the Saab?
Anywho, at least it's nice to know that the automotive industry is now finally able to offer sport compacts with performance on-par with Porsche's designs from the 1970's...before most of the current sport compact owners were even born.
That's nuts! What's the stock boost level on that Saab? I know if I un-corked a stock 740/940 on pump gas (91 here in CA), and went from 7.4 psi (stock) to 26 psi (no wastegate) with NO other mods, she might last about 5 minutes before melting pistons. The bricks do it, but usually not without 36# injectors and higher than 91 octane (usually 100). Then again, the stock turbo on my car is nothing but a heater anywhere above 12 lbs, where it completely loses it's efficiency. The 850T's 15G has a little more steam. What's the stock compressor in the Saab?
Anywho, at least it's nice to know that the automotive industry is now finally able to offer sport compacts with performance on-par with Porsche's designs from the 1970's...before most of the current sport compact owners were even born.
10-28-2005, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by URIN 2ND
Probably disengaging the wastegate. You'd have to be running rocket fuel to fight the detonation from so much boost, but I know people with turbo cars who use this technique at the strip. But it's definitely not something you can drive around the street on 24/7.
10-28-2005, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by URIN 2ND
Dan,
That's nuts! What's the stock boost level on that Saab? I know if I un-corked a stock 740/940 on pump gas (91 here in CA), and went from 7.4 psi (stock) to 26 psi (no wastegate) with NO other mods, she might last about 5 minutes before melting pistons. The bricks do it, but usually not without 36# injectors and higher than 91 octane (usually 100). Then again, the stock turbo on my car is nothing but a heater anywhere above 12 lbs, where it completely loses it's efficiency. The 850T's 15G has a little more steam. What's the stock compressor in the Saab?
That's nuts! What's the stock boost level on that Saab? I know if I un-corked a stock 740/940 on pump gas (91 here in CA), and went from 7.4 psi (stock) to 26 psi (no wastegate) with NO other mods, she might last about 5 minutes before melting pistons. The bricks do it, but usually not without 36# injectors and higher than 91 octane (usually 100). Then again, the stock turbo on my car is nothing but a heater anywhere above 12 lbs, where it completely loses it's efficiency. The 850T's 15G has a little more steam. What's the stock compressor in the Saab?
That car is such a beast that I ripped the top engine mount off of its steel bracket a while back (granted it was 180k miles old and a little rusty).
So what I really need is a 928 with a turbo; it will be the best of both worlds! And maybe transplanting the direct ignition from the saab into the 928 would be nice too...
Dan
'86 928S 5-spd w/LSD
'91 9000T 5-spd @26psi
10-28-2005, 07:31 PM
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Sure they were fun, but if given the choice would you go back to one? I have had some shined up turds in the past too, and I'm glad they're staying with their current owners.
Those cars were perfect for the age. When I was between 16 and 22, I flogged, beat and killed every car I owned or drove. Better the Chrysler (or Nissan in my case) than the Porsche.
Those cars were perfect for the age. When I was between 16 and 22, I flogged, beat and killed every car I owned or drove. Better the Chrysler (or Nissan in my case) than the Porsche.
Originally Posted by Imo000
My thoughts exactly. All my previous Turbo Chryslers were fun when they were new. Unfortunately I always bought them after they reached 100K. I have to thank Chrysler for the “opportunity” to learn auto repair the DIY way! Nothing forces you to learn faster than changing the engine on my Sundance Turbo 5 times in one summer.
10-28-2005, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by URIN 2ND
As for the Saab...you wouldn't do that on an otherwise stock car, as the guy was suggesting (he said the mod cost $1.50). You aren't gonna get very far running 26psi with stock injectors.
All you needed for 24psi was a RRFPR and 93 octane fuel. The chip automatically retards the timing, and the stock 24lb injectors can handle the required flow, so all is well. On the hot air cars(non intercooled 84-85.5), you needed a RRFPR and 30lb injectors with 100 octane fuel to safely run at 24psi. I used to run my hot air car on 18psi with 93 octane the RRFPR and 30lb injectors and that ran a best of 12.4 on cheater slicks.
10-28-2005, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SharkSkin
IIRC it was a matter of changing an orfice in a vac line to the WG, so boost was still limited at a reasonable value. Nevertheless, it's a cheap mod...
You simply extend the rod for less boost, or shorten it for more. Very simple to do, and costs about .75 cents worth of hardware. Of course you need other mods(listed above) to safely run at the higher levels.
10-28-2005, 07:37 PM
#88
Originally Posted by Herr-Kuhn
Ask yourself...would you actually trust a turbo Neon through a 130 MPH sweeper? It is an economy car with a hopped up engine, nothing more, nothing less.
They WILL blow up like all the other Dodge turbo 4s did. And rust out...
Just a matter of time.
