I NEED BOOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (beaten by SRT-4)
10-27-2005, 04:03 PM
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I agree with Imo. A fellow took his new SRT-4 to the track (DE event) and he did really well.
I think where the brand name comes to play is build quality. They make cars that drive well right off the lot. I am not sure that this manufacturer has solved longer term durability issues. Time will tell. In the meantime, these new Dodges seem to offer amazing bang for the buck in the realm of new cars.
I woudn't be at all surprised to see an SRT-4 turn consistently faster lap times than a Boxter.
I think where the brand name comes to play is build quality. They make cars that drive well right off the lot. I am not sure that this manufacturer has solved longer term durability issues. Time will tell. In the meantime, these new Dodges seem to offer amazing bang for the buck in the realm of new cars.
I woudn't be at all surprised to see an SRT-4 turn consistently faster lap times than a Boxter.
10-27-2005, 04:14 PM
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Not something you can do 24/7??
Originally Posted by URIN 2ND
Probably disengaging the wastegate. You'd have to be running rocket fuel to fight the detonation from so much boost, but I know people with turbo cars who use this technique at the strip. But it's definitely not something you can drive around the street on 24/7.
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10-27-2005, 04:29 PM
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As for the Neon...the guy probably ran good ET's because he was quick on the straights. None of the reviews I read raved about handling...they said it was "good...considering it has some roll and no LSD and it's a front drive car". Get behind one on the road, they have more ground clearance than my old Montero 4x4. lol.
As for the Saab...you wouldn't do that on an otherwise stock car, as the guy was suggesting (he said the mod cost $1.50). You aren't gonna get very far running 26psi with stock injectors.
I dunno...I'm in the anti-SRT4 camp. Sure, they are cheap fun. But they are over-rated. My old Corrado could beat them six ways til Sunday, and there's moderately-modded FWD and RWD Volvos on the message boards with vids of SRT4 kills as well. They are impressive, but not unstoppable by any means. Especially when you figure that maybe only 40% of the kid owners know how to drive them below a 15 second ET.
As for the Saab...you wouldn't do that on an otherwise stock car, as the guy was suggesting (he said the mod cost $1.50). You aren't gonna get very far running 26psi with stock injectors.
I dunno...I'm in the anti-SRT4 camp. Sure, they are cheap fun. But they are over-rated. My old Corrado could beat them six ways til Sunday, and there's moderately-modded FWD and RWD Volvos on the message boards with vids of SRT4 kills as well. They are impressive, but not unstoppable by any means. Especially when you figure that maybe only 40% of the kid owners know how to drive them below a 15 second ET.
10-27-2005, 04:30 PM
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What I have heard about the Neon SRT-4s is that handling is a bit sketchy. The torque steer is frightning especially coming hard out of the corners. Now there is also a SRT-4 R/T version that has the same engine with significant suspension mods. Actually smaller diameter wheels allowing a lower ride hight and stiffer springs and beefier control arms. This apparently transformed the car into something that handles very well at the track.
10-27-2005, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by URIN 2ND
As for the Saab...you wouldn't do that on an otherwise stock car, as the guy was suggesting (he said the mod cost $1.50). You aren't gonna get very far running 26psi with stock injectors.
10-27-2005, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 928autobahndreamer
What I have heard about the Neon SRT-4s is that handling is a bit sketchy. The torque steer is frightning especially coming hard out of the corners. Now there is also a SRT-4 R/T version that has the same engine with significant suspension mods. Actually smaller diameter wheels allowing a lower ride hight and stiffer springs and beefier control arms. This apparently transformed the car into something that handles very well at the track.
10-27-2005, 04:56 PM
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The SRT-4 that I saw may have had suspension goodie bag on it. Don't remember if it was an R/T - it probably was. His wife's Ford was "tricked out" - she made a point to show me the header that she put in and the other upgrades. Since I usually not very interested in ugly cars, I didn't get into what the guy had or didn't have. He was probably among the fastest 3 novice drivers at that event.
Now if I can just get my wife to install headers, do suspesion, replace torque tube, and do motor mounts for me, I could die a happy man.
Now if I can just get my wife to install headers, do suspesion, replace torque tube, and do motor mounts for me, I could die a happy man.
10-27-2005, 06:22 PM
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The Lancer is the EVO, right? Those are quick too.
People usually buy cars because they like them, not becuase they will crash them. I like my 928 sooooo much more than the small, ugly, quick things. Safety aspect is just gravy in the gravy boat.
People usually buy cars because they like them, not becuase they will crash them. I like my 928 sooooo much more than the small, ugly, quick things. Safety aspect is just gravy in the gravy boat.
10-27-2005, 08:25 PM
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Chris,
Very weird stock SRT-4? I had a similar scenrio but I was in my old unmodified 89 S-4 Auto. He the SRT4 was definately looking for a little fun with me.
I pulled into his lane behind him as we both punched it... it was even all the way (no gain or loss either way) till about 110 then I very slowly started reel him in. We both let off about the same time and gave each other the thumbs up. I was really impressed with that car. Now with the boosted GTS... no way it would have been close.
I went up against a new vette the other night... same scenerio as S-4/ SRT4... except I let him pull away at 1st starting at about 70-80mph as I pulled in behind him.... his car made a gap of about 2 car lengths before I punched it, it immediately negated anymore of his gains and then I started reeling him at about 100-110... we did this a 2nd time with the same results, except I was already behind him. By the third run I didn't let him get a gap as I timed his acceleration and I was bascialy gaining and had to get over to pass him almost (seemingly) immediately at about 100 mph from 70... before I let off. He didn't want a 4th try and looked very pissed at his brand new car.
Very weird stock SRT-4? I had a similar scenrio but I was in my old unmodified 89 S-4 Auto. He the SRT4 was definately looking for a little fun with me.
I pulled into his lane behind him as we both punched it... it was even all the way (no gain or loss either way) till about 110 then I very slowly started reel him in. We both let off about the same time and gave each other the thumbs up. I was really impressed with that car. Now with the boosted GTS... no way it would have been close.
I went up against a new vette the other night... same scenerio as S-4/ SRT4... except I let him pull away at 1st starting at about 70-80mph as I pulled in behind him.... his car made a gap of about 2 car lengths before I punched it, it immediately negated anymore of his gains and then I started reeling him at about 100-110... we did this a 2nd time with the same results, except I was already behind him. By the third run I didn't let him get a gap as I timed his acceleration and I was bascialy gaining and had to get over to pass him almost (seemingly) immediately at about 100 mph from 70... before I let off. He didn't want a 4th try and looked very pissed at his brand new car.
10-27-2005, 10:05 PM
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Who cares anyhow? Almost any car can beat any other car if it is built up a certain way. When I am running 550 hp next year I won't be surprised if a 1987 plymouth sundance (4 door econobox 4 banger) blows my doors off. Who cares, cars like that are still style-less sh*t boxes. You can build a TURD up and make it go fast, but in the end its still a TURD!
10-27-2005, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Warren928
Who cares anyhow? Almost any car can beat any other car if it is built up a certain way. When I am running 550 hp next year I won't be surprised if a 1987 plymouth sundance (4 door econobox 4 banger) blows my doors off. Who cares, cars like that are still style-less sh*t boxes. You can build a TURD up and make it go fast, but in the end its still a TURD!
10-27-2005, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by URIN 2ND
As for the Neon...the guy probably ran good ET's because he was quick on the straights. None of the reviews I read raved about handling...they said it was "good...considering it has some roll and no LSD and it's a front drive car". Get behind one on the road, they have more ground clearance than my old Montero 4x4. lol.
As for the Saab...you wouldn't do that on an otherwise stock car, as the guy was suggesting (he said the mod cost $1.50). You aren't gonna get very far running 26psi with stock injectors.
I dunno...I'm in the anti-SRT4 camp. Sure, they are cheap fun. But they are over-rated. My old Corrado could beat them six ways til Sunday, and there's moderately-modded FWD and RWD Volvos on the message boards with vids of SRT4 kills as well. They are impressive, but not unstoppable by any means. Especially when you figure that maybe only 40% of the kid owners know how to drive them below a 15 second ET.
As for the Saab...you wouldn't do that on an otherwise stock car, as the guy was suggesting (he said the mod cost $1.50). You aren't gonna get very far running 26psi with stock injectors.
I dunno...I'm in the anti-SRT4 camp. Sure, they are cheap fun. But they are over-rated. My old Corrado could beat them six ways til Sunday, and there's moderately-modded FWD and RWD Volvos on the message boards with vids of SRT4 kills as well. They are impressive, but not unstoppable by any means. Especially when you figure that maybe only 40% of the kid owners know how to drive them below a 15 second ET.
How can you compare a stock SRT4 to a modded anything and call it a fair comparison????? Lack of driver experinece has nothing to do with what a car is capable. I highy dout that a STOCK Corrado will even keep up to an SRT-4. let alone beat it.
Maybe you should take one for a spin, then report back. As long as you go in with an open mind, you might come out pleasantly suprised.
Brand loayalty is higly over rated. I like fast cars, regardless of the manufacturers name.
10-27-2005, 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by CMW
Chris,
Very weird stock SRT-4? I had a similar scenrio but I was in my old unmodified 89 S-4 Auto. He the SRT4 was definately looking for a little fun with me.
I pulled into his lane behind him as we both punched it... it was even all the way (no gain or loss either way) till about 110 then I very slowly started reel him in. We both let off about the same time and gave each other the thumbs up. I was really impressed with that car.
Very weird stock SRT-4? I had a similar scenrio but I was in my old unmodified 89 S-4 Auto. He the SRT4 was definately looking for a little fun with me.
I pulled into his lane behind him as we both punched it... it was even all the way (no gain or loss either way) till about 110 then I very slowly started reel him in. We both let off about the same time and gave each other the thumbs up. I was really impressed with that car.
10-28-2005, 02:45 AM
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How can you compare a stock SRT4 to a modded anything and call it a fair comparison????? Lack of driver experinece has nothing to do with what a car is capable. I highy dout that a STOCK Corrado will even keep up to an SRT-4. let alone beat it.
Maybe you should take one for a spin, then report back. As long as you go in with an open mind, you might come out pleasantly suprised. Brand loayalty is higly over rated. I like fast cars, regardless of the manufacturers name.
Maybe you should take one for a spin, then report back. As long as you go in with an open mind, you might come out pleasantly suprised. Brand loayalty is higly over rated. I like fast cars, regardless of the manufacturers name.
As for the Corrado...they are slow. Period. A stock G60 is a 1.8L SOHC 8V with 8.3 psi, and it's built/geared to run at sustained high speeds. They would be lucky to run a 15.9 stock, with a 7.5 0-60...but they CAN reach (and hold) about 140mph, and remain stable doing so. As for the handling, I can't say...but the only other FWD car to have such praises bestowed on it in the handling dept. is the Honda/Acura Teg Type-R. The G60 handles well for a FWD.
Brand loyalty? What's that? I have a Volvo and a Porsche. Before that, a Mitsubishi. A bunch of VW's. A Ford Mustang (LX 5.0L). A Plymouth K-Car. A Buick Regal.
I am the first one to sing the praises of having an open mind. And I do. But that doesn't also mean I can't can't have my own opinion. And in my opinion, I would never own a Neon. They have a second rate build quality, and most domestics have chincy plasticy interiors that just scream "cheap". Hell, even the C5 suffered the same things. See the Top Gear review/road test on that one? I'm just not a fan of domestics. Doesn't mean they can't still go fast. My Ford was fast. But it was still a POS.
Like so many in here are trying to say...you polish a turd, and you still end up with a shiny turd.
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