From Randy: Yesterday, I banned Lagavulin (Paul) from Rennlist
07-22-2005, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Andrew Olson
Randy...
I was just about to offer an opinion about your decision to ban Lag. But given your willingness to ban contributing (albeit somewhat controversial) members/non-members, can you please give me some background on how you based your decision? Objective vs. Subjective? Was there one particular thing that he said that rubbed your rhubarb the wrong way - or - was he just in violation of the "rules"? Did you give him fair warning that if he continued rubbing said rhubarb/breaking the rules that he would get a time-out? Just curious how you operate...
Thanks.
I was just about to offer an opinion about your decision to ban Lag. But given your willingness to ban contributing (albeit somewhat controversial) members/non-members, can you please give me some background on how you based your decision? Objective vs. Subjective? Was there one particular thing that he said that rubbed your rhubarb the wrong way - or - was he just in violation of the "rules"? Did you give him fair warning that if he continued rubbing said rhubarb/breaking the rules that he would get a time-out? Just curious how you operate...
Thanks.
07-22-2005, 10:43 AM
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Banning Lag is wrong, and that cheap shot at Tim is wrong. I am dissapointed. Here is are my thoughts behind these conclusions Randy.
There is already a a great deal of reluctance on the part of people to relay their personal experiences, that is not just my opinion but it has been expressed to me by others who have chosen not to provide such information in this forum. I don't know any of the three participants personally, though I have purchased product from Tim, and considered such from Andy. I reside in a small, rural community a billion miles away from all these people. I make my purchasing decisions based in large part on the information I find here. I feel banning a person for expressing their opinion diminishes the value of this .com community immeasurely. The people who come here do so for a reason. Irrespective of how intelligent or mature you might judge their posts, I believe the community at large is competant enough to read them and determine for themselves what the value is. Cutting off these threads before they run their natural course has the effect of limiting the information available and discouraging people from posting their own experiences. You are able to do as you choose, I offer my opinion in the spirit of providing feedback from a customer.
There is already a a great deal of reluctance on the part of people to relay their personal experiences, that is not just my opinion but it has been expressed to me by others who have chosen not to provide such information in this forum. I don't know any of the three participants personally, though I have purchased product from Tim, and considered such from Andy. I reside in a small, rural community a billion miles away from all these people. I make my purchasing decisions based in large part on the information I find here. I feel banning a person for expressing their opinion diminishes the value of this .com community immeasurely. The people who come here do so for a reason. Irrespective of how intelligent or mature you might judge their posts, I believe the community at large is competant enough to read them and determine for themselves what the value is. Cutting off these threads before they run their natural course has the effect of limiting the information available and discouraging people from posting their own experiences. You are able to do as you choose, I offer my opinion in the spirit of providing feedback from a customer.
07-22-2005, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Gretch
Banning Lag is wrong, and that cheap shot at Tim is wrong. I am dissapointed. Here is are my thoughts behind these conclusions Randy.
There is already a a great deal of reluctance on the part of people to relay their personal experiences, that is not just my opinion but it has been expressed to me by others who have chosen not to provide such information in this forum. I don't know any of the three participants personally, though I have purchased product from Tim, and considered such from Andy. I reside in a small, rural community a billion miles away from all these people. I make my purchasing decisions based in large part on the information I find here. I feel banning a person for expressing their opinion diminishes the value of this .com community immeasurely. The people who come here do so for a reason. Irrespective of how intelligent or mature you might judge their posts, I believe the community at large is competant enough to read them and determine for themselves what the value is. Cutting off these threads before they run their natural course has the effect of limiting the information available and discouraging people from posting their own experiences. You are able to do as you choose, I offer my opinion in the spirit of providing feedback from a customer.
There is already a a great deal of reluctance on the part of people to relay their personal experiences, that is not just my opinion but it has been expressed to me by others who have chosen not to provide such information in this forum. I don't know any of the three participants personally, though I have purchased product from Tim, and considered such from Andy. I reside in a small, rural community a billion miles away from all these people. I make my purchasing decisions based in large part on the information I find here. I feel banning a person for expressing their opinion diminishes the value of this .com community immeasurely. The people who come here do so for a reason. Irrespective of how intelligent or mature you might judge their posts, I believe the community at large is competant enough to read them and determine for themselves what the value is. Cutting off these threads before they run their natural course has the effect of limiting the information available and discouraging people from posting their own experiences. You are able to do as you choose, I offer my opinion in the spirit of providing feedback from a customer.
07-22-2005, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Gretch
I reside in a small, rural community a billion miles away from all these people. I make my purchasing decisions based in large part on the information I find here. ... I offer my opinion in the spirit of providing feedback from a customer.
07-22-2005, 11:21 AM
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...... but the troops never solve the issues - that is left to the Generals.
Great! Now we can start some **** between the Officers and Enlisted ranks in our forum!
07-22-2005, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim_H
Andrew,
You're banned.
Let that be a lesson.
You're banned.
Let that be a lesson.
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07-22-2005, 11:30 AM
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Duhhhhhhh,
Lag posted false information about me. Several of the parties that were involved in what he was refering to reached him via PM and right on the list to tell he was wrong. YET HE DIDN'T BOTHER TO SAY THAT HE WAS WRONG OR APOLOGIZE TO ME. Infact after some of the communications he recieved he continued to insist he was correct. IT WAS NOT ABOUT HIS OPINION. But somehow people expect somesort of justification or an apology from Randy for anything. I'm sorry but anyone that expects that is a xxxxxxx idot.
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Lag posted false information about me. Several of the parties that were involved in what he was refering to reached him via PM and right on the list to tell he was wrong. YET HE DIDN'T BOTHER TO SAY THAT HE WAS WRONG OR APOLOGIZE TO ME. Infact after some of the communications he recieved he continued to insist he was correct. IT WAS NOT ABOUT HIS OPINION. But somehow people expect somesort of justification or an apology from Randy for anything. I'm sorry but anyone that expects that is a xxxxxxx idot.
ANDY KEEL
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07-22-2005, 11:39 AM
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Randy's actions deter me from expressing my opinon...........but believe me, I have one.
07-22-2005, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by GoRideSno
Duhhhhhhh,
Lag posted false information about me. Several of the parties that were involved in what he was refering to reached him via PM and right on the list to tell he was wrong. YET HE DIDN'T BOTHER TO SAY THAT HE WAS WRONG OR APOLOGIZE TO ME. Infact after some of the communications he recieved he continued to insist he was correct. IT WAS NOT ABOUT HIS OPINION. But somehow people expect somesort of justification or an apology from Randy for anything. I'm sorry but anyone that expects that is a xxxxxxx idot.
ANDY KEEL
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Lag posted false information about me. Several of the parties that were involved in what he was refering to reached him via PM and right on the list to tell he was wrong. YET HE DIDN'T BOTHER TO SAY THAT HE WAS WRONG OR APOLOGIZE TO ME. Infact after some of the communications he recieved he continued to insist he was correct. IT WAS NOT ABOUT HIS OPINION. But somehow people expect somesort of justification or an apology from Randy for anything. I'm sorry but anyone that expects that is a xxxxxxx idot.
ANDY KEEL
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Andy K wears ladies' underwear!
That's a flase statement (I hope). Should I be banned? - 'cause I ain't appologisin'
07-22-2005, 11:57 AM
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Whew!
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And here are the jucier bits...
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Based on those rules, I'd say half the members here should be banned.
BTW for those of you who are unfamiliar with the charter...
http://www.rennlist.org/charter.htm
And here are the jucier bits...
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