heinrich

Fliegen no hate here Bud

Jim_H

Whoa!!




http://www.mustangweekly.com/2002/february/86/86_1.asp

mark kibort

but would it beat a stock 928 with simple mods at a road course??

20k 928 vs $30k stang? who would win?

Ive seen a lot of even more powerful stangs at the track. some with detuned nascar engines and they do run like stink, but even with BIG brakes, the handling is just not there, even with $75k into the car. That solid axle just kills the handling compared to independant! (functional wing or not!)

mk

heinrich

Yes, very cool.

FLIEGEN

LMFAO, it wasn't made for the road course, it was built for busting *** at the street races...

I am sure my C6 would hang well enough on a road course... My 928 isn't set up for anything but cruisin, it has a $10,000 system in it, and I just cruise around listening to tunes, it is a gorgeous and comfy car, not the race car in the family...

BTW, have you heard of Griggs Racing in Sonoma? I am sure their blue coupe would keep up with any 928...

mspiegle

considering what this thread is about, allow me to say:

wow, that's one hell of a stang. What tires are those (nitto something?), and do you like them?

Abby Normal

LOVE the car Matt!

Don't let the "Knight's of the Crest" rain on your parade. For the most part they are

FLIEGEN

315/35 Nittos out back 255/40s in front, and yes they are nice street tires... they keep the car in it's intended direction below about 10 psi, but over that it is a little squirly. I like the BFG Drag Radials a hell of a lot better, but you won't get 7,000 miles on a set of those as I did on my original ones. I am on my second set, on a wider 10.5 inch wheel now, the ones in the pic are the original 9 " wheels which pinched the rear tire about an inch less on the ground as the 10.5s spread em out.

They are smooth as glass, and hook anything under 500 RW VERY well... My dad had them on his 5.0 that was blown, and he only had 275s and it hooked at about 15 mph and catupaulted! He was making 480 RW on pump and about 530 on race gas.

mark kibort

I know, im just bustn your chops.
actually, the blue beat Griggs racing car? beat its times for a long time IN THE HOLBERT CAR TOO!!!

the blue Griggs coupe ran at sears with anderson and ran a 1:53. the holbert car has run 1:50.1 and even faster with the last configuration run at speed GT last year. (griggs also ran 1:44 at laguna in speedvision GT in '99, an ive run 140.2) However, now, FINALLY, the griggs coupe has got even MORE hp this past year and ran 2 seconds faster than my best at sears. Up until last year, the holbert car was faster!!! Not bad for a $20k project compared to a Griggs racing best of everything project. another side note , there was a good friend of mine and his Griggs racing Silver monster mustang, that beat me last year at sears, but was slower at Laguna seca. (the car cost Paul, $100k to make by griggs. and he destroyed it last year at laguna as well, so it is GONE) so, NEVER count out the Holbert car as the best bang for the buck ever! (and pretty darn fast too!! did i mention its 20 years old with all stock components except rims, headers and street sport suspension?)

no substitute!

now, get a stroker in it, (ie 928) (and the Griggs is stroked too) equal mods, probably less on Anderson's 928, and it SMOKES the Griggs racing monster by over 4 seconds a lap!!!

so, NO the griggs racing blue coup, doesnt hold a candle to mark andersons 928, and would have been loosing to me up until this past season, and now is only a couple of seconds faster.



MK

mspiegle

Which model of Nitto? Would you say that you get decent mileage out of them under the circumstances?

Yeah.. the BFG DRs are amazing. Andy used them on his car for a little bit... I tried them on my car, but the clutch would spin before the tires.

What other performance statistics do you have on your car?

FLIEGEN

The rears are Drag Radials model # 555R, the fronts are just called 555s, their standard performance tire. I dunno, I think a normal tire with 700 RW wouldn last maybe 5-7K, but it wouldn't hook up doing it, so it was worth the low mileage. On a normal car like a 928, they should last 10K or so easily... They aren't the greatest tires on the planet, but they are cheap, smooth, and grip like a biotch for a street tire. It has stronger sidewalls than a BFG as well, so it handles like a normal tire.

um well it made 719/605 RW on race gas, 104 93 mix, I calculate to be about 101.4 or so actual octane. I don't run the serious leaded crap, cause I don't want my motor to look like a diesel when I take it apart for a rebuild. I was running 15.8-16 psi at 6,900 RPM, it ran a best of a 1.53 60 foot, best of a 6.9 1/8th missing second and third because my tranny is toast @ 105 on pump gas (647/574 RW). Its best 1/4 mile was on that same pass of a 10.72 @ 134, this was also on pump gas with the missed gears. It had a 10.20 at about 136 in it if I didn't miss gears, as the data logger shows about a .6 miss on the 1-2 and about .3 on the 2-3. I can shift fast, but my tranny doesn't allow it with 30K racing miles and no synchros. It won't downshift to second at all, and won't go into first unles you are completely stopped... lol.

Its best 1/8th speed is 108 on race gas, but the track was about 90+ degrees, and traction was scarse and slick.

um best trap speed is 138 in the same slipery track hot conditions. I never got a chance to run it on race gas with the new drag suspension I had set up, I think it had low 10s in it at 3,400 lbs. not that bad *** for that much power, but consistent, and it lasted 14K miles before I tore it down with nothing but one blown intake gasket from having too small of a water pump pulley on it causing a cavitation factor at 6,500 + rpm. On the freeway at 150+ it was causing some serious intake liftage. I went 6,400 in fifth almost flat out racing a moddified R1 bike, I didn't pass him till 175 on his speedo, and he let out and I kept going to see what she had in her. I smoked two plugs that night and tore up a few compression rings, its down 120/195 on two cylinders, and still made 719 RW. I think with a rebuild and the new blower it'll make 900 RW, that is my goal anyways. I don't drive it much, it is more of a legend of what could be around these parts. Everyone makes fun of me for having such a crazy car that won't get down the track, and I really don't care. I love racing it, but I don't beat on it, I just like to have fun. Cruising around town and scaring soccer moms is a lot more fun to me...


What else would you like to know? I re-dyno tuned it on motor, a lil 8.5-1 compression blower motor, made 387/383 on motor through 1 5/8 shorty headers, the same ones I had on it with the blower... I upped the anty to some 2" race long tubes, made by a company called Kooks out of Jersey, and they netted me to 416/406 still on 87 octane pump gas and on motor... the torque down low was a gain of about 46 from 1500-3500... I am hoping with the new blower like I said to be in the 900 range at around 20 psi... I don't think the fuel pump on it will support any more than that, plus I still want to be able to drive it around town.

Abby Normal

Nitto

I have been advocating these tires here for years, and no-one listens.

They are just not purist approved.......

FLIEGEN

Nice info, I said keep up, thats not too bad considering... And you are comparing the sickest Porsche ever made to a pile of crap Mustang race car... come on now man, I own both, and I know what the score is, I'm not some punk ricer kid comparing the two, I was just saying that a Stang can be made less crappy, but it my favorite quote from Christine... You can't polish a turd. I have a lot of money proving that theory, and my Stang is a blast to drive, Straight, bor about 10 minutes, then I come home and take the Vette or the 928 out...

mspiegle

Ok... I just read through your reply to me...

You're pulling 10-second runs in what looks like a full-weight chassis.... that's nuts. You could probably shave quite a bit of weight off that thing and run pretty low 10s at the strip. If you didn't have tranny issues and that 900rwhp... definately 9s.

Have you used the BFG KDs at all? They probably don't compare to the 555r, but I would expect them to be as good as the 555s. I have S-03s and KDs that I switch around, and the KDs are so much better in straight-line traction.. its crazy.

mspiegle

Sure, 928s are good on the race track... but you don't see any of them pulling 10s at the strip. Yes, you own both - and for very good reason.