New Garage - - Car Cave
#256
at 4x12 feet, per sheet, that is 500 sheets. When I built my 4,000 SF shop, a helper and I installed 150 sheets of 4x8 drywall, about 80 sheets of 5/8, for the roof, and the rest 1/2". So I am out of the drywall business. Built 80% of the entire construction project, by myself, (had help with concrete, and roofing) hard work not to be repeated, in this lifetime. Including self install of the 5/8" plywood for the roof, a younger me could manage the sheets by myself, around 58 pounds per sheet.
Alan
I'm at the tail end of re-finishing our 1K sqft finished basement that suffered a flooding event last fall. I did electrical and data wiring upgrades, the sheet rock replacement, and the concrete grinding/ ceramic tile installation on 650 sq feet of floor. I could only realistically do 20 sqft per day, as it was very difficult for me to get every tile laid correctly... 6"x24" and a surprising amount of bow (or curl) on some of the product. I'm doing casing and trim this week so nice light work. Yay!
A younger version of me rebuilt a small single story 650 sqft house into a 2-story 1600 sqft house, basically saving the foundation, chimney bottoms, and first floor subfloor... the rest went into dumpsters. BUT, I had help with that project. A lot of help. Trades, workers, etc.
I'm really impressed when I see a large scale project like 928GTR's. Hanging, taping, and sanding 500 sheets of drywall gives me a headache thinking about it.
928GTR- I forget- what is the insulation plan for the roof? I know that with the walls it's integral to the concrete pour.
Cheers
#257
[QUOTE928GTR- I forget- what is the insulation plan for the roof? I know that with the walls it's integral to the concrete pour.
Cheers[/QUOTE]
RennHarry,
The insulation is 24 inches of recycled, blown cellulose. A little outrageous at R-60, but It will be great for energy savings and quiet... The attic has two full fire walls in it so it is divided into three compartments. It took seven days to blow the insulation in... There are multiple depth gauges up there to make sure the amount is correct and allow analysis of settling/performance. Ultimately I think it will settle to 20 inches which will be around R-50.
Cheers[/QUOTE]
RennHarry,
The insulation is 24 inches of recycled, blown cellulose. A little outrageous at R-60, but It will be great for energy savings and quiet... The attic has two full fire walls in it so it is divided into three compartments. It took seven days to blow the insulation in... There are multiple depth gauges up there to make sure the amount is correct and allow analysis of settling/performance. Ultimately I think it will settle to 20 inches which will be around R-50.
The following users liked this post:
RennHarry (02-11-2022)
#258
Hi Dave,
Has the contractor run a simulation of the heat load for a design cold day? I'm thinking you are in the 150-220KBTU at 5 deg F. Being your building is so tight, some dehumidifiers will be necessary during summer, as you have little sensible heat load.
My business partner is the sign mogul. Attached is his Big Boy, and Rat Fink.
My cars are mostly GM, 65' Olds 442, Corvairs, 1958 International Class 8 semi, 1965 Pontiac GP, 1969 El Camino SS, and 6 Porsches. My business partner leans to Mopar.
Has the contractor run a simulation of the heat load for a design cold day? I'm thinking you are in the 150-220KBTU at 5 deg F. Being your building is so tight, some dehumidifiers will be necessary during summer, as you have little sensible heat load.
My business partner is the sign mogul. Attached is his Big Boy, and Rat Fink.
My cars are mostly GM, 65' Olds 442, Corvairs, 1958 International Class 8 semi, 1965 Pontiac GP, 1969 El Camino SS, and 6 Porsches. My business partner leans to Mopar.
Last edited by Alan 91 C2; 02-11-2022 at 01:33 AM.
#259
P.S. To: Dave928S TAZ, As a result of our discussion regarding the moisture resistance of the lower walls, Dumping my oil base primer idea... We are using 1 x 6 AZEK baseboards over vinyl primer and the baseboards will be caulked with Sikaflex so no water can get under or behind them. Thank You!
I have started on the "Artwork". Bought a used printer and am experimenting with printing on large sheets of different materials... Going to stretch over Wooden frames (up to 10 x 18 feet).
Did this one yesterday!
Learning a lot by experimenting!
I have started on the "Artwork". Bought a used printer and am experimenting with printing on large sheets of different materials... Going to stretch over Wooden frames (up to 10 x 18 feet).
Did this one yesterday!
Learning a lot by experimenting!
Your artwork idea sounds and looks good. They could possibly, if spaced a little off the walls, help with acoustics which I found to be terrible in an almost identical internal shape buildling I constructed in the 90's. What are the acoustics like now? Do you have specific plans for acoustic damping or will you get everything finished and see what you have to deal with?
I'm sure all the guys you have on site enjoy working for you because you refrain from the usual "I built . . .', and acknowledge that it's a team effort.
Last edited by Dave928S; 02-11-2022 at 07:42 AM.
The following users liked this post:
Harvey928 (02-11-2022)
#260
[QUOTE=Alan 91 C2;17966627]Hi Dave,
Has the contractor run a simulation of the heat load for a design cold day? I'm thinking you are in the 150-220KBTU at 5 deg F. Being your building is so tight, some dehumidifiers will be necessary during summer, as you have little sensible heat load.
The contractor did not do the analysis but the heating and cooling team did. They installed full air conditioning for the summertime humidity issue.
My business partner is the sign mogul. Attached is his Big Boy, and Rat Fink.
Love the signs. I have about 100 porcelain signs that I have been collecting since I was a kid. One is an 18 foot Texaco gas station sign in excellent condition.
My cars are mostly GM, 65' Olds 442, Corvairs, 1958 International Class 8 semi, 1965 Pontiac GP, 1969 El Camino SS, and 6 Porsches. My business partner leans to Mopar.
Fun group of cars Alan, Enjoy your fantastic shop and collection!
/QUOTE]
Has the contractor run a simulation of the heat load for a design cold day? I'm thinking you are in the 150-220KBTU at 5 deg F. Being your building is so tight, some dehumidifiers will be necessary during summer, as you have little sensible heat load.
The contractor did not do the analysis but the heating and cooling team did. They installed full air conditioning for the summertime humidity issue.
My business partner is the sign mogul. Attached is his Big Boy, and Rat Fink.
Love the signs. I have about 100 porcelain signs that I have been collecting since I was a kid. One is an 18 foot Texaco gas station sign in excellent condition.
My cars are mostly GM, 65' Olds 442, Corvairs, 1958 International Class 8 semi, 1965 Pontiac GP, 1969 El Camino SS, and 6 Porsches. My business partner leans to Mopar.
Fun group of cars Alan, Enjoy your fantastic shop and collection!
/QUOTE]
#261
Your artwork idea sounds and looks good. They could possibly, if spaced a little off the walls, help with acoustics which I found to be terrible in an almost identical internal shape buildling I constructed in the 90's. What are the acoustics like now? Do you have specific plans for acoustic damping or will you get everything finished and see what you have to deal with?
I'm sure all the guys you have on site enjoy working for you because you refrain from the usual "I built . . .', and acknowledge that it's a team effort.
The artwork is going to be mounted on 2 x 2's around the edges and as cross bracing. Inside the voids will be sound deadening material - as you suggest...
The crew is quite enthusiastic with the project and all of them are taking pride in the workmanship. I not only show appreciation for the "Team" effort but include them in irregular cash bonuses for guys that take extra initiative. I worked construction jobs as a kid and in collage for extra money so I know how hard the work is.
We will also have a catered Completion" party!
Here are a couple of shots of progress while in Florida...
They were able to get quite a bit of siding on the back and rear of building:
Lots of sanding and another coat of mud. The Drywall contractor insists on doing a "Rolled" application and additional sanding to perfect the ceiling and walls. He wants it to showcase his work. I'm more than OK with that!
And for any of you that think we have "Gentle" winters here...
Last night we had 8" of snow and steady 40 mph winds with gusts to 55mph...
The following 4 users liked this post by 928 GT R:
#263
Rennlist Member
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 2,255
Likes: 531
From: Mostly in my workshop located in Sweden.
Thanks to the climate improvement - keep on driving guys - we have less snow than before. Two snowfalls in two days have given us about 10 "of snow. Now it has switchen over to rain which makes the snow extremely heavy. I am a big strong guy but I do not know how to clear the large area in front of the workshop. I always shovel snow by hand, it makes you strong and healthy. Hope the rain makes the snow go away.
Åke
Åke
#264
Earlier in the thread we discussed what to do with the main garage floor. Options considered were Race Deck, Swiss Tracks, Vinyl flooring, Epoxy, Poly Aspartic, Porcelain Tile, Polished Concrete...
I settled on a combination of faux wood vinyl flooring and commercial grade carpet for the social areas and polished concrete for the balance of the car display/work area.
On the first day they applied a rubberized seam sealer to all of the expansion strips and cuts. Then yesterday, they started with two large and heavy self powered #30 grit diamond grinders. They made multiple passes in every direction before cleaning up the grinding debris this afternoon and starting with #50 grit diamond cutters. This team works into the night and should be starting the cleanup late this evening so they can start applying the first coat of SP propriatary sealer tomorrow afternoon. Second coat goes on Sunday morning if all goes to plan...
I know the drill: Pictures, or it didn't happen!
It's a huge mess with wheelbarrows of grindings going out the doors and a surprising amount of dust. The good news is that Tuesday we should be putting down protective cardboard like covers, performing the final drywall work and have the interior primed and painted by next Friday! Love progress!!!
I settled on a combination of faux wood vinyl flooring and commercial grade carpet for the social areas and polished concrete for the balance of the car display/work area.
On the first day they applied a rubberized seam sealer to all of the expansion strips and cuts. Then yesterday, they started with two large and heavy self powered #30 grit diamond grinders. They made multiple passes in every direction before cleaning up the grinding debris this afternoon and starting with #50 grit diamond cutters. This team works into the night and should be starting the cleanup late this evening so they can start applying the first coat of SP propriatary sealer tomorrow afternoon. Second coat goes on Sunday morning if all goes to plan...
I know the drill: Pictures, or it didn't happen!
It's a huge mess with wheelbarrows of grindings going out the doors and a surprising amount of dust. The good news is that Tuesday we should be putting down protective cardboard like covers, performing the final drywall work and have the interior primed and painted by next Friday! Love progress!!!
Last edited by 928 GT R; 02-26-2022 at 04:20 AM.
The following 6 users liked this post by 928 GT R:
Battman991 (03-09-2022),
Bertrand Daoust (02-26-2022),
Harvey928 (02-28-2022),
JWise (02-25-2022),
RennHarry (03-05-2022),
and 1 others liked this post.
#265
Another of many milestones is now complete. The primer is finally on in all rooms (Except the fire room). Our English Springer Spaniels love the place and follow their noses everywhere as they explore... I'm guessing that in two months things will be move in ready and we will be putting down the first layers of asphalt in the driveway/parking areas.
Next is a re-do of the floor polishing and sealing which starts Wednesday. It seems the team was tired on the Saturday afternoon and cut some corners in cleaning and the final stages after a great start. They are returning, cleaning the last parts of the mess they made and re doing the entire floor. That means a full regrinding, polishing and double sealing. Unfortunate for the company that did the work but they are standing behind their warranty without any argument. So far a double thumbs up regarding problem solving!
Next is a re-do of the floor polishing and sealing which starts Wednesday. It seems the team was tired on the Saturday afternoon and cut some corners in cleaning and the final stages after a great start. They are returning, cleaning the last parts of the mess they made and re doing the entire floor. That means a full regrinding, polishing and double sealing. Unfortunate for the company that did the work but they are standing behind their warranty without any argument. So far a double thumbs up regarding problem solving!
The following 10 users liked this post by 928 GT R:
928cs (03-05-2022),
Bertrand Daoust (03-05-2022),
Dave928S (03-12-2022),
davek9 (03-06-2022),
Frank Abe (04-11-2022),
and 5 others liked this post.
#266
Wow. Good company to stand by the work. That's the right thing to do. Do you have any photos of the "mistakes"?
Did the painters use flat on the ceiling? There is a slight, and surprising, gloss effect in your last photo (the sheen/ reflections of the exterior windows) I usually go dead flat on a ceiling, and some level of matte/ eggshell on a wall. But I understand in a commercial space a higher level of durability is desired.
Regardless, it's looking phenomenal. You must be pretty jazzed.
Cheers
Did the painters use flat on the ceiling? There is a slight, and surprising, gloss effect in your last photo (the sheen/ reflections of the exterior windows) I usually go dead flat on a ceiling, and some level of matte/ eggshell on a wall. But I understand in a commercial space a higher level of durability is desired.
Regardless, it's looking phenomenal. You must be pretty jazzed.
Cheers
The following users liked this post:
928 GT R (03-06-2022)
#268
Excellent company! Of course proof of that will be seen next Saturday when we examine the finished product.
Regarding paint, I am going flat on the ceilings and eggshell everywhere else simply because it is quite cleanable and standard. This was just primer.
I'm pleased with progress, but jazzed will come later when all this is finished.
Regarding paint, I am going flat on the ceilings and eggshell everywhere else simply because it is quite cleanable and standard. This was just primer.
I'm pleased with progress, but jazzed will come later when all this is finished.
#269
Strike Two:
The variance in the coloration and finish of the ground, polished and sealed floor is simply too great for my taste. I will be discussing alternatives with my contractor and this subcontractor on Monday.
For three more days they ground and polished, cutting and smoothing the floor. This is what the machinery and process looked like:
There is quite a bit of dust even with the huge vacuum...
There were two of the grinder, vacuum systems, and a third guy working the edges.
The variance in the coloration and finish of the ground, polished and sealed floor is simply too great for my taste. I will be discussing alternatives with my contractor and this subcontractor on Monday.
For three more days they ground and polished, cutting and smoothing the floor. This is what the machinery and process looked like:
There is quite a bit of dust even with the huge vacuum...
There were two of the grinder, vacuum systems, and a third guy working the edges.
#270
So, what does it look like?
Stripes, spots, inconsistent at best... It may be durable and easily cleaned, but I do not like the look. Sigh...
Back to the drawing board!
Unfortunately, this is too large of a space for Racedeck or Swisstrax because of expansion/contraction.
I am not saying that they did not make a massive effort at saving/fixing this. Perhaps the concrete is too hard? Too much surface variability? Using multiple grinders leaves different shades of color? I have tested my certain ignorance against their possible knowledge and made the wrong decision. I will ask them to charge me for their cost and write the rest off. Have little interest in having them try again. Now it is time for me to suck it up and figure out what to do. Quickly! This effort has cost me two weeks!
Stripes, spots, inconsistent at best... It may be durable and easily cleaned, but I do not like the look. Sigh...
Back to the drawing board!
Unfortunately, this is too large of a space for Racedeck or Swisstrax because of expansion/contraction.
I am not saying that they did not make a massive effort at saving/fixing this. Perhaps the concrete is too hard? Too much surface variability? Using multiple grinders leaves different shades of color? I have tested my certain ignorance against their possible knowledge and made the wrong decision. I will ask them to charge me for their cost and write the rest off. Have little interest in having them try again. Now it is time for me to suck it up and figure out what to do. Quickly! This effort has cost me two weeks!