Garage 928
07-08-2020, 06:01 PM
#46
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Rich, from the video you've clearly done the bulk of the work that was supposed to be done on that vehicle and it looks super nice.
Not sure how the OP can justify saying "none of the work was performed and the car is in pieces" - seems like one, big put-together piece to me. Nice job.
Not sure how the OP can justify saying "none of the work was performed and the car is in pieces" - seems like one, big put-together piece to me. Nice job.
07-08-2020, 06:11 PM
#47
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Shark26262 is fairly new the 928 group and is smart to question all that's going on. He enthusiastic and likes to provide information that he's accumulated. I'm glad for people like him that question the bad comments that happen here and he is able to see the light on some things. Carl comes to mind on that.
This situation with Gregg and his car and Garage 928 sucks. Gregg talked to me a year ago about wanting to get his car to me for some work, and others of his steed for more work and I could not set up any sort of date for it because of my own back log for 928 work. He took his cars to Garage 928. Rich VM has been around for a few years and his work has been a roller coaster for people. all customer related due to his parts business or his work. Hell, he's had 928 guys invest huge amounts of dollars in his business. . Now I'm going to say this up front, he (Rich) is not a competitor of mine. I lose more customers because I can't turn them out fast enough to make most people happy. Hence how Gregg ended up at Garage 928. Greg Brown does better work than I and I hope one day to reach that level of service and detail. There's a reason God is looked at so highly and in the 928 world, Greg Brown is it.
Gregg (OP of the thread) sent his cars for a bit of work and I only know the details due to Gregg sending me the invoices, details and posting them in my FB "playground". Which I can post all of them here. Gregg posted his thread initially in the main Porsche 928 Group on Facebook which has about 5k members and it was quickly deleted. No clue or care why but when asked I told Gregg he could post it in my group and I'd let it fly and all could comment. My personal interactions with RichVM were years ago and I'd have hoped his **** got worked out and he was doing people solid. Apparently the issues just got worse as he paid one person at the expense of another. I have no other experience with him besides receiving a few cars that were in his hands before I got them to make them right.
These were the invoices posted on my FB "playground" Prices seemed in line with what I would have done. The issues arise with some final bill sent after Gregg paid the intial $7k bill. I think Gregg can post the FB conversations about what I don't show.
These invoice are what were given to Gregg and is what he paid. There were multiple FB chat exchanges about how the Torque Tube bearings "just went out" and he would cover those at his own expense.
Timing belt job done.
Guessing this was the after picture, just taking what Gregg has shown.
Final invoice after Gregg was told his car was to be delivered, 3 weeks prior.
I have seen communication between right and Gregg stating something along the lines Rich would cover the TT bearing replacement but from my view that's crazy. That's is a huge job and not something that I'd eat as part of some job.
This situation with Gregg and his car and Garage 928 sucks. Gregg talked to me a year ago about wanting to get his car to me for some work, and others of his steed for more work and I could not set up any sort of date for it because of my own back log for 928 work. He took his cars to Garage 928. Rich VM has been around for a few years and his work has been a roller coaster for people. all customer related due to his parts business or his work. Hell, he's had 928 guys invest huge amounts of dollars in his business. . Now I'm going to say this up front, he (Rich) is not a competitor of mine. I lose more customers because I can't turn them out fast enough to make most people happy. Hence how Gregg ended up at Garage 928. Greg Brown does better work than I and I hope one day to reach that level of service and detail. There's a reason God is looked at so highly and in the 928 world, Greg Brown is it.
Gregg (OP of the thread) sent his cars for a bit of work and I only know the details due to Gregg sending me the invoices, details and posting them in my FB "playground". Which I can post all of them here. Gregg posted his thread initially in the main Porsche 928 Group on Facebook which has about 5k members and it was quickly deleted. No clue or care why but when asked I told Gregg he could post it in my group and I'd let it fly and all could comment. My personal interactions with RichVM were years ago and I'd have hoped his **** got worked out and he was doing people solid. Apparently the issues just got worse as he paid one person at the expense of another. I have no other experience with him besides receiving a few cars that were in his hands before I got them to make them right.
These were the invoices posted on my FB "playground" Prices seemed in line with what I would have done. The issues arise with some final bill sent after Gregg paid the intial $7k bill. I think Gregg can post the FB conversations about what I don't show.
These invoice are what were given to Gregg and is what he paid. There were multiple FB chat exchanges about how the Torque Tube bearings "just went out" and he would cover those at his own expense.
Timing belt job done.
Guessing this was the after picture, just taking what Gregg has shown.
Final invoice after Gregg was told his car was to be delivered, 3 weeks prior.
I have seen communication between right and Gregg stating something along the lines Rich would cover the TT bearing replacement but from my view that's crazy. That's is a huge job and not something that I'd eat as part of some job.
07-08-2020, 06:14 PM
#48
Instructor
Rich, from the video you've clearly done the bulk of the work that was supposed to be done on that vehicle and it looks super nice.
Not sure how the OP can justify saying "none of the work was performed and the car is in pieces" - seems like one, big put-together piece to me. Nice job.
Not sure how the OP can justify saying "none of the work was performed and the car is in pieces" - seems like one, big put-together piece to me. Nice job.
Feel free to come to my shop at any time for a tour.
07-08-2020, 06:22 PM
#49
Drifting
Of course I can say, but why would I burn fellow 928 enthusiasts who have subsequently become friends? They had nothing to gain or lose by telling me this so why would they bother? Maybe it’s as simple of “when there’s smoke, there’s fire.” I don’t know but I’ll let you and others draw their own conclusion(s). A situation like this lends credence to their hesitations though, so you should strive (through hard work, efficiency, pricing, etc.) to make them look like fools.
Your video appears to vindicate you, so you two should concentrate on getting your issue resolved and off of here and social media. The longer it lingers the more it hurts. Greg gave you a heapin’ helpin’ of free, good advice and I’d encourage you to follow it.
Your video appears to vindicate you, so you two should concentrate on getting your issue resolved and off of here and social media. The longer it lingers the more it hurts. Greg gave you a heapin’ helpin’ of free, good advice and I’d encourage you to follow it.
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slownrusty (07-08-2020)
07-08-2020, 06:37 PM
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07-08-2020, 06:40 PM
#51
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07-08-2020, 06:42 PM
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If I were the trier of fact in this kind of case that is exactly what I would like to see. I would like to see both of the invoices that you say were given. Then I would like to have the testimony of the two peeps you apparently sent to get the car or look at it. I would like to see their pictures of the car in the condition then. But, actually, as Greg B. suggests, I would first like to see the signed work order or the other documentation showing that the car was brought to him at some time after hours or such. I suspect that Greg's summary of the law in California, and the same as here in Colorado, is likely the same as where you are. If there is no SIGNED work order he cannot work on your car, and if he does he cannot charge for it. The next thing that causes me some credibility problem is that you say there were two different invoices for you to pay. Something smells bad about that. Why you would pay one invoice for completed work on your car without looking at it yourself sounds, well . . .stupid. Just so you might know, I would not have Richard do anything to my car no matter the outcome of this situation. That is even given that truth is an absolute defense to a suit for defamation or libel. The fact that either of you might be consulting with an attorney is doubtful since this is not a situation of a "mechanics lien" but rather a "lien for labor." Pretty universally a mechanics lien has to do with improvements to real property.
I have a pile of used up 928 parts that I could show to demonstrate a lot of work that I claimed I did to some one's 928, and then show you a picture of a nice 928 with a nice radio and new speaker grill to show that I did all the work claimed or shown by all the used up parts. DUH!
I have a pile of used up 928 parts that I could show to demonstrate a lot of work that I claimed I did to some one's 928, and then show you a picture of a nice 928 with a nice radio and new speaker grill to show that I did all the work claimed or shown by all the used up parts. DUH!
07-08-2020, 06:51 PM
#53
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If I were the trier of fact in this kind of case that is exactly what I would like to see. I would like to see both of the invoices that you say were given. Then I would like to have the testimony of the two peeps you apparently sent to get the car or look at it. I would like to see their pictures of the car in the condition then. But, actually, as Greg B. suggests, I would first like to see the signed work order or the other documentation showing that the car was brought to him at some time after hours or such. I suspect that Greg's summary of the law in California, and the same as here in Colorado, is likely the same as where you are. If there is no SIGNED work order he cannot work on your car, and if he does he cannot charge for it. The next thing that causes me some credibility problem is that you say there were two different invoices for you to pay. Something smells bad about that. Why you would pay one invoice for completed work on your car without looking at it yourself sounds, well . . .stupid. Just so you might know, I would not have Richard do anything to my car no matter the outcome of this situation. That is even given that truth is an absolute defense to a suit for defamation or libel. The fact that either of you might be consulting with an attorney is doubtful since this is not a situation of a "mechanics lien" but rather a "lien for labor." Pretty universally a mechanics lien has to do with improvements to real property.
I have a pile of used up 928 parts that I could show to demonstrate a lot of work that I claimed I did to some one's 928, and then show you a picture of a nice 928 with a nice radio and new speaker grill to show that I did all the work claimed or shown by all the used up parts. DUH!
I have a pile of used up 928 parts that I could show to demonstrate a lot of work that I claimed I did to some one's 928, and then show you a picture of a nice 928 with a nice radio and new speaker grill to show that I did all the work claimed or shown by all the used up parts. DUH!
) Look close to the videos I posted and for instance I do show the brakes. Again, along the way I send many pictures of the work done inside and outside the car and all you do is saying I am fishing out old parts to lay them out? Dude seriously?
07-08-2020, 06:57 PM
#54
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Of course I can say, but why would I burn fellow 928 enthusiasts who have subsequently become friends? They had nothing to gain or lose by telling me this so why would they bother? Maybe it’s as simple of “when there’s smoke, there’s fire.” I don’t know but I’ll let you and others draw their own conclusion(s). A situation like this lends credence to their hesitations though, so you should strive (through hard work, efficiency, pricing, etc.) to make them look like fools.
Your video appears to vindicate you, so you two should concentrate on getting your issue resolved and off of here and social media. The longer it lingers the more it hurts. Greg gave you a heapin’ helpin’ of free, good advice and I’d encourage you to follow it.
Your video appears to vindicate you, so you two should concentrate on getting your issue resolved and off of here and social media. The longer it lingers the more it hurts. Greg gave you a heapin’ helpin’ of free, good advice and I’d encourage you to follow it.
07-08-2020, 07:19 PM
#56
If I were the trier of fact in this kind of case that is exactly what I would like to see. I would like to see both of the invoices that you say were given. Then I would like to have the testimony of the two peeps you apparently sent to get the car or look at it. I would like to see their pictures of the car in the condition then. But, actually, as Greg B. suggests, I would first like to see the signed work order or the other documentation showing that the car was brought to him at some time after hours or such. I suspect that Greg's summary of the law in California, and the same as here in Colorado, is likely the same as where you are. If there is no SIGNED work order he cannot work on your car, and if he does he cannot charge for it. The next thing that causes me some credibility problem is that you say there were two different invoices for you to pay. Something smells bad about that. Why you would pay one invoice for completed work on your car without looking at it yourself sounds, well . . .stupid. Just so you might know, I would not have Richard do anything to my car no matter the outcome of this situation. That is even given that truth is an absolute defense to a suit for defamation or libel. The fact that either of you might be consulting with an attorney is doubtful since this is not a situation of a "mechanics lien" but rather a "lien for labor." Pretty universally a mechanics lien has to do with improvements to real property.
I have a pile of used up 928 parts that I could show to demonstrate a lot of work that I claimed I did to some one's 928, and then show you a picture of a nice 928 with a nice radio and new speaker grill to show that I did all the work claimed or shown by all the used up parts. DUH!
I have a pile of used up 928 parts that I could show to demonstrate a lot of work that I claimed I did to some one's 928, and then show you a picture of a nice 928 with a nice radio and new speaker grill to show that I did all the work claimed or shown by all the used up parts. DUH!
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richvm (07-08-2020)
07-08-2020, 07:39 PM
#57
Lighten up, Columbo.
There's not a wealth of shops in Florida who anyone would trust. I have one of my 928s with a shop in Atlanta right now, which is 6 hours from me, undergoing a full engine rebuild and multiple WYAIT for the same reason.
Why does the OP owe you answers to your questions? Some critical thought might bring you to the conclusion that maybe, just maybe the cops declared it stolen if the guy moved shops, told no one and left no forwarding address. You know what happens when the cops tell you they believe your car was stolen.... the smart owners then call their insurance company to let them know.
RVM is a 928 Grifter and Gypsy. Be happy that it's not you going through this BS and maybe cut the OP some slack.
There's not a wealth of shops in Florida who anyone would trust. I have one of my 928s with a shop in Atlanta right now, which is 6 hours from me, undergoing a full engine rebuild and multiple WYAIT for the same reason.
Why does the OP owe you answers to your questions? Some critical thought might bring you to the conclusion that maybe, just maybe the cops declared it stolen if the guy moved shops, told no one and left no forwarding address. You know what happens when the cops tell you they believe your car was stolen.... the smart owners then call their insurance company to let them know.
RVM is a 928 Grifter and Gypsy. Be happy that it's not you going through this BS and maybe cut the OP some slack.
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linderpat (07-08-2020)
07-08-2020, 08:03 PM
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I had tried to get my car from you after saying it was completed for 2 months. 3 attempts you were never there. Insurance company says it is stolen. Not me to them , them to me. When you compare invoices you are changing prices. I only asked to explain what you are charging me extra for. I only see about $950 in parts. I said last week as today I don't mind paying. Some how you are hearing I am not paying. You finished my car today. I paid you in March.