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I dont see anything obviously wrong with these brakes. I suspect they work fine on what probably is a 3200 Lb car with 50/50 weight dist. I don't think this car is positioned as a track day monster and I suspect they are at lease as good as GTS brakes and can handle a 3 or 4 back to back stops. Fine for street use. They look like Wilwood forged Super-lites and are designed to use the ring'ed edge of a aluminum hat rotor. Not much to be gained by using the relatively slower moving inner edge of a large rotor. You hit up against the law of diminishing returns. I custom built a kit for a car awhile back using similar calipers and it worked out fine.
Empirically speaking... I have a set of Factory brakes with Alu hats and Brembo's used on a v12 exotic. They have a large alu hat and somewhat of a thin ring rotor too. They are by far the best brake I've ever experienced. They took repeated 120 to 60 MPH cycles on a short track without fade on a 3800Lb car.
Greg's "over focusing" on brakes which have no obvious or apparent real world deficiencies is very illustrative or "telling".
Empirically speaking... I have a set of Factory brakes with Alu hats and Brembo's used on a v12 exotic. They have a large alu hat and somewhat of a thin ring rotor too. They are by far the best brake I've ever experienced. They took repeated 120 to 60 MPH cycles on a short track without fade on a 3800Lb car.
Greg's "over focusing" on brakes which have no obvious or apparent real world deficiencies is very illustrative or "telling".
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For anyone interested, here is the link from Xschop on the brake upgrade. Dinsdale loaned me a set of mounts and we copied them. The design is an affordable alternative over spending thousands of dollars on big Porsche calipers. Regardless of what Greg's says, the car brakes incredibly well and are considerably better over the stock brakes for a lot less money. Spending less does not mean the design or parts are of lessor quality and performance. I don't recall ever saying the car was built to race on a track, so not sure why the upgrade is an issue with "ONE" individual.
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...otor-swap.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...otor-swap.html
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I like the brakes. They are clean, serviceable and probably provide more friction than the tires can handle.
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I forgot to mention a 625 HP vehicle going 120 MPH takes the same time to stop as a 200 HP vehicle going 120 MPH.
There are lots of things on this project that are a bit out of balance but it still seems very well done overall and I think it can be appreciated in its totality none the less. Its a facinating set of choices...most intriguing to me is the choice to part with it.
There are lots of things on this project that are a bit out of balance but it still seems very well done overall and I think it can be appreciated in its totality none the less. Its a facinating set of choices...most intriguing to me is the choice to part with it.
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The people that answer my phones have no idea who you are. They take messages, which I try to answer after my workday. I called the number you left twice....it seems to be some sort of a business that was closed.
More personal attacks?
Address the swept pad area of the front brakes on your vehicle, not me.
More personal attacks?
Address the swept pad area of the front brakes on your vehicle, not me.
More personal attacks? That's Funny coming from the guy who started this mess.
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For anyone interested, here is the link from Xschop on the brake upgrade. Dinsdale loaned me a set of mounts and we copied them. The design is an affordable alternative over spending thousands of dollars on big Porsche calipers. Regardless of what Greg's says, the car brakes incredibly well and are considerably better over the stock brakes for a lot less money. Spending less does not mean the design or parts are of lessor quality and performance. I don't recall ever saying the car was built to race on a track, so not sure why the upgrade is an issue with "ONE" individual.
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...otor-swap.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...otor-swap.html
I got all confused when I saw the title of your thread, with the words "ultimate pro touring" all used together.
I just assumed that was your goal, not a joke.
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https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...z06-build.html
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I was handed a message to call Lance Hoffman, at 6:30...a name I've never heard of....with no message.
I get about 50 phone calls a day. Mary "filters" the idiots and would normally just toss a mystery call from someone who won't leave a message....just another salesman.
She saw the note frim Kyle that he had taken a call from you, too, and passed the two notes to me.
I called the number and got an answer machine at some business I've never heard of...
Poof...two messages into the trash and I moved on to the next message.9
One of my buddies called me and we were laughing about your brakes and told me who "Lance Hoffman" was. I dug the phone number out of the trash and called again, thinking I'd misdialed. Same cimpany. No answer.
You don't own a cell phone? Or just better to "steal" time from where you are employed?
Figures.
You've got quite the ego....you think I have to talk to you about your choice of tiny front brakes to stop a 600+hp car?
I don't remotely care what you did.....it just happens to be a terrific example of what "not to do", when stuffing in a big horsepower engine.
Everyone: If you are considering installing a high horsepower engine into a 928, Chevy or Porsche, you should "upgrade" the brakes and suspension to deal with the increased speed and acceleration.....not swap in something lhat has the same swept pad area of your stock 1983 brakes!
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Greg, it time to take your meds. You either can't read or like making up "Fake News" The title of my thread is "928 Pro Tour LS3 / Z06 Build." You should read it......you might learn something about the LS conversion
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...z06-build.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...z06-build.html
A car that can't possibly stop 7-8 times from 100 miles an hour in a row, isn't going to make it, in "Pro Touring".
Bring it over! Prove me wrong!
I shudder to see what else you've done. I literally stopped looking at the 4th picture on your Craigslist ad, laughing my *** off about the front brakes.
Alll the fantastic caliper options available from used Boxsters/other Porsches, with increased swept pad area and you picked $150 calipers with tiny pads? For a $89,000 "Pro Touring" car? And then removed the Wilwood and stenciled on "Porsche", hoping no.one would notice?
Get over it, move on.
I noticed.
And it's funny!
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Couldn't agree more! Could you cross out "horse" and substitute in "928"?
Let's review, so people can read this one post and just skip the prior 40 posts:
Blagave claims that a brake upgrade designed for a 2750 pound, 150 horsepower 4 cylinder1984 944, which might go 120mph on a downhill run, is the perfect application for a 3500 pound, 625 horsepower, "Pro Touring" Suoercharged Chevy V8 thst has the "potential" to go well over 200mph.
Exactly the same application. Perfect brake choice!
Everyone on the thread agrees 100%, except for Greg, who knows nothing about 928's, V8 conversions, anything to do with high performance, and is just being an "A hole", because he's "off his medication".
Now, can we just move on and talk about $2,000 Chevy conversions into a 928?
Let's review, so people can read this one post and just skip the prior 40 posts:
Blagave claims that a brake upgrade designed for a 2750 pound, 150 horsepower 4 cylinder1984 944, which might go 120mph on a downhill run, is the perfect application for a 3500 pound, 625 horsepower, "Pro Touring" Suoercharged Chevy V8 thst has the "potential" to go well over 200mph.
Exactly the same application. Perfect brake choice!
Everyone on the thread agrees 100%, except for Greg, who knows nothing about 928's, V8 conversions, anything to do with high performance, and is just being an "A hole", because he's "off his medication".
Now, can we just move on and talk about $2,000 Chevy conversions into a 928?
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Everyone: If you are considering installing a high horsepower engine into a 928, Chevy or Porsche, you should "upgrade" the brakes and suspension to deal with the increased speed and acceleration.....not swap in something lhat has the same swept pad area of your stock 1983 brakes!
Your engines are anything but 'high horsepower' and should/could be installed in tractors.
And this is why you 'forbade' Randy V from disclosing his rwhp numbers since apparently, they're nothing to brag or be proud about - and especially for the price involved.
Last edited by SwayBar; Jun 28, 2019 at 08:17 AM.
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Greg, here's my post from yesterday which you missed and demonstrates how clueless you are about brakes.
Greg, are you aware he has aftermarket Wilwood 4-piston brakes on the car?
Based upon your comment, I'm guessing 'No'.
As for your chest-pounding regarding brakes:
At the long and fast Road America racetrack, Jean-Louis in a 275 rwhp Euro with stock single-piston brakes with Pagid Orange pads, did a best-of lap at 2:32.0, which is a very good time. He never ever had any brake problems whatsoever with fade, or stopping power with the stock single-piston brakes.
Now, this is at a track where there are 3-straights where the car is traveling at 150 mph at the brake points:
Turn 1 is a 75-mph corner.
Turn 5 is a 55-mph corner and its approach is downhill.
And finally, Canada Corner is 55-mph.
Tbose are big braking corners!
Next, he installed Big Reds,and guess what? He had zero problems with fade and stopping power, but could not improve on his 2:32.0.
Why was that? He was limited by horsepower, and not by braking power - despite upgrading from 1-piston stock brakes to 4-piston Big Reds, both with Pagid Orange pads.
Those little 1-piston calipers consistently , and reliably, hauled the car down from 150mph in three different places, lap after lap after lap.
So for you to say, that his LS3-engined car, equipped with aftermarket Wilwood 4-piston brakes, are insufficient, is jack-assery in its purest, most unadulterated form.
Congratulations Greg, against all odds, your mouth has outdone itself once again!
Based upon your comment, I'm guessing 'No'.
As for your chest-pounding regarding brakes:
At the long and fast Road America racetrack, Jean-Louis in a 275 rwhp Euro with stock single-piston brakes with Pagid Orange pads, did a best-of lap at 2:32.0, which is a very good time. He never ever had any brake problems whatsoever with fade, or stopping power with the stock single-piston brakes.
Now, this is at a track where there are 3-straights where the car is traveling at 150 mph at the brake points:
Turn 1 is a 75-mph corner.
Turn 5 is a 55-mph corner and its approach is downhill.
And finally, Canada Corner is 55-mph.
Tbose are big braking corners!
Next, he installed Big Reds,and guess what? He had zero problems with fade and stopping power, but could not improve on his 2:32.0.
Why was that? He was limited by horsepower, and not by braking power - despite upgrading from 1-piston stock brakes to 4-piston Big Reds, both with Pagid Orange pads.
Those little 1-piston calipers consistently , and reliably, hauled the car down from 150mph in three different places, lap after lap after lap.
So for you to say, that his LS3-engined car, equipped with aftermarket Wilwood 4-piston brakes, are insufficient, is jack-assery in its purest, most unadulterated form.
Congratulations Greg, against all odds, your mouth has outdone itself once again!
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I guess this explains why anyone with ANY of your engines do not need to upgrade their brakes then.
Your engines are anything but 'high horsepower' and should/could be installed in tractors.
And this is why you 'forbade' Randy V from disclosing his rwhp numbers since apparently, they're nothing to brag or be proud about - and especially for the price involved.
Your engines are anything but 'high horsepower' and should/could be installed in tractors.
And this is why you 'forbade' Randy V from disclosing his rwhp numbers since apparently, they're nothing to brag or be proud about - and especially for the price involved.