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I think so, for what you're doing. Get some scrap, and practice. When you're learning to work the machine, slow and easy is the way. Plus every machine is different. They all have their personality.
yes, i have the 944S2 intake to work on. all sorts of materal there to cut, and weld! Plus i can experiment on the dissimilar aluminum with the part im cutting off of the AM intake to the aluminum on the 944S2
I'm not trying to discourage you at all, but what you want to do can't be learned in a weekend. Paying a professional, will cost real money. You might be better off working with another racer that has the equipment, and fabrication skills.
Mark, this looks like good advice given that you are a little short on fabrication skills.
I recommend to have someone else weld it. Maybe you can tack it so it stays together but let someone that knows do the rest.
absolutely! I dont think i would ever consider taking this on. i dont even want to make the final cuts, due to how it all will have to fit together and what will be needed to make the final smooth transitions and fills.
what i will do is make the broad cuts to get the pieces aligned up. i suspect an adapter plate mating to the AMV8 intake will be made (about 1-2") so that the rest of the welds are just angle orientations.
the other "adapter" will fit on the heads like the HANS adapters, and they will be cut to allow for the angles needed to move toward the center to make it all fit.
Originally Posted by 928sg
It took 137 post for someone to post what most of us have been thinking all along.
you have not been paying attention. I never even hinted that i could build this and weld it up. I've only provided the idea, and have consulted with professional welders about the feasibility.
I'm gonna let ya in on some of the fabrication secrets, I've learned over the years. Back when I was younger, I had to learn to make the parts that weren't available, because I couldn't afford to pay someone to make them for me.
Mark, card board, and formable construction paper are cheap and easy to work with. You'll need a gasket set so you can copy it to the cardboard, then cut it out. This is how you make you're intake flanges. You may have to stack a few pieces to get the proper height. Do this for both sides. Then start to copy the AM intake out of the construction paper, the top part. Then copy the part of the runners, you'll keep. Do you get where I'm going with this? Make a complete mockup, of you're custom intake, before you start cutting the real thing.
Trial, and error, is easy with paper. You can even use the cardboard rolls left over from aluminum foil. You can tape or staple you're mockup, and this makes it easy to make adjustments for fit. Hope this little bit of info gets you started.
There's a plastic material that looks just like cardboard used to make boxes. It's more durable than cardboard, and easy to work with too.
Last edited by polecat702; 12-08-2017 at 05:22 PM.
I'm gonna let ya in on some of the fabrication secrets, I've learned over the years. Back when I was younger, I had to learn to make the parts that weren't available, because I couldn't afford to pay someone to make them for me.
Mark, card board, and formable construction paper are cheap and easy to work with. You'll need a gasket set so you can copy it to the cardboard, then cut it out. This is how you make you're intake flanges. You may have to stack a few pieces to get the proper height. Do this for both sides. Then start to copy the AM intake out of the construction paper, the top part. Then copy the part of the runners, you'll keep. Do you get where I'm going with this? Make a complete mockup, of you're custom intake, before you start cutting the real thing.
Trial, and error, is easy with paper. You can even use the cardboard rolls left over from aluminum foil. You can tape or staple you're mockup, and this makes it easy to make adjustments for fit. Hope this little bit of info gets you started.
There's a plastic material that looks just like cardboard used to make boxes. It's more durable than cardboard, and easy to work with too.
im trying to cut up the 944 intake and it only responds to the cut off wheels. hack saw and coping saws, are completely useless. maybe they are dulled blades, but either way, its time for the plasma cutter. thought they had one at harbor freight, but too expensive. found another 3 in 1 welder and will get that to make my gross cuts.........then, ill fab some runners and other parts out of plastic to mock up what it will look like in the end.
The more i look and measure, the more i like what i see. you can see , ive lapped off the feet of the AMV8 intake . i was then able to do a real comparison to port size compared to the 944S2 intake. they are VERY close, however it is a little more round than the AMV8 is oval. If you are using your imagination, this is actually a great thing. this means i actually can help the AMV8 with the curve it has. the larger 944 intake runners will allow the joining and angling to create LESS radius as it heads to the intake ports. this all means less filling into mate the tubes, and the only real filling in will be a portion at the head entrance on the injector side.
now, if anyone needs any Aston martin Vantage intake adapters. i have a set.
next i will probably measure and size (keeping everything about twice the length needed as i havent determined leg length yet. but, it will be a huge proof of concept when i mate up with the proper angles to the AMV8 intake, with the use of an "adapter plate style" 1" piece make the adapter plate out of the base of the 944 intake
Originally Posted by ptuomov
Two cheater cut angle? Even worse. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt with two non-cheater turns. Like an S, or rather an integral sign (esh).
Cool using the spare fender and hood as a sacrificial workbench....
nah, its just my photo studio.
UPDATE. i cut the 944S2 intak and made the adapter plates. i also cut the 944S2 intake runners off and cut most off of the AMV8 intake runners.
i wish i could make some kind of custom S intake tube , but all i have are the 944S2 runners and they get wider as you go up in to them. making an angle to make the AMV8 will make their size much larger, and now looking at the shapes, im having doubts.
dont know how this can work........ill have to present it to the welder.
however, you can see the idea of how to make the outer runners fit to the more wide S4 intake
How 'bout just slicing that AM bitch into 4 large pieces fore-to-aft, and circumferentially weld spacers between each slice? Is there internal structure that would prohibit that?
How 'bout just slicing that AM bitch into 4 large pieces fore-to-aft, and circumferentially weld spacers between each slice? Is there internal structure that would prohibit that?
Isnt that what Erik was saying? .I think that is the only way actually..........I'll go check that out. that way, everything stays direct, straight into the ports with less of the shape issues for mating to the flanges.
They are angled.. not possible.. or at least possible without some surgical skills as well.
Ok, i think im officially over my head on this one. making the runners out of 944S2 sections is impossible. custom tubes need to be made, but i think the intake manifold adapter is a good starting place.
Plus with work and kid responsibilities, and trying to get the car in shape for the SCCA Runoffs 2018, Im OUT!
if anyone is interested in taking this over, Let me know. From what i can see, someone with fab experience that can make a couple of curved aluminum runners to join the AMV8 intake with the 944S2 adapters i have cut, would have a pretty cool intake that im sure would work well.
doing just the cutting , let alone any welding, sure gives me respect for those that can fit these things together and weld them up like jewelry! Kudos to Greg, Carl, Hans, etc , for all the intake and exhaust systems they have built up.
thanks for the advice/suggestions and discussion on the idea.
Mk
Originally Posted by SwayBar
You'll probably have to cut the top off first so you can see where the runners are so as to not cut into them.
12-07-2017, 08:59 PM
Plus i can experiment on the dissimilar aluminum with the part im cutting off of the AM intake to the aluminum on the 944S2
