Por-Vettes - Ok I'm a believer now
11-12-2013, 10:59 PM
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that mutant is one big barrel of awesomeness.
bet it sounds great, too.
but, be like marrying a **** star in shotgun Vegas wedding.
then again, maybe, not.
still, I'll take the short stroke, 388 busty girl-next-door to Vegas.
she'll get good and crazy in the sack and prolly still be looking good the morning after.
bet it sounds great, too.
but, be like marrying a **** star in shotgun Vegas wedding.
then again, maybe, not.
still, I'll take the short stroke, 388 busty girl-next-door to Vegas.
she'll get good and crazy in the sack and prolly still be looking good the morning after.
11-12-2013, 11:30 PM
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11-13-2013, 03:02 AM
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Perhaps I am ignorant but what is so especially exciting about putting a Chevy into a Porsche? I am sorry, but this is more hotrodding than finessing exotic power.
I guess if I were going to go for a motor swap I would be looking for something truly unique, exotic and a well balanced choice of power and agility.
Spinning my tires at 90mph because the car is under weight for the post it contains is no more exciting that a rocket / jet engined funny car. And I used to be a real step car junkie.
Personally finding an engine that had a high HP to displacement ratio would be more fun. Heck why not an M3 twin turbo ;-)
And yes I am a Porsche newbie but I just cannot stop wondering why there isn't more internals hacking on these little four bangers? I mean are you saying that increasing oiling capacity, capability, poly coating the internals, using h-rods and forged pistons with a MAF and home built turbo system or merc compressor won't make these little guys sing? Are they really as overly expensive, overly sensitive and complicated power plant?
Just asking B-)
I guess if I were going to go for a motor swap I would be looking for something truly unique, exotic and a well balanced choice of power and agility.
Spinning my tires at 90mph because the car is under weight for the post it contains is no more exciting that a rocket / jet engined funny car. And I used to be a real step car junkie.
Personally finding an engine that had a high HP to displacement ratio would be more fun. Heck why not an M3 twin turbo ;-)
And yes I am a Porsche newbie but I just cannot stop wondering why there isn't more internals hacking on these little four bangers? I mean are you saying that increasing oiling capacity, capability, poly coating the internals, using h-rods and forged pistons with a MAF and home built turbo system or merc compressor won't make these little guys sing? Are they really as overly expensive, overly sensitive and complicated power plant?
Just asking B-)
11-13-2013, 06:08 AM
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It is sad that sherman tank engine is more modern design than LSx.
Somebody should put gaa in 944.
Oudurandina?
Somebody should put gaa in 944.
Oudurandina?
11-13-2013, 08:23 AM
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The Merlin is 1600lbs.
The Merlin 61, for example, has a specific power of 0.96 hp/cubic inch. A stock LS1 is .986 hp/cubic inch and is naturally aspirated. There are plenty of LSx examples with sodium filled valves. Dual spark is only worthwhile for aero engines with concerns of redundancy, the added complication and costs outweighed the added performance. The Merlins also run on 100 octane, not something you could find at the pump. Did I mention the 1600lb weight of the Merlin?
The Merlin 61, for example, has a specific power of 0.96 hp/cubic inch. A stock LS1 is .986 hp/cubic inch and is naturally aspirated. There are plenty of LSx examples with sodium filled valves. Dual spark is only worthwhile for aero engines with concerns of redundancy, the added complication and costs outweighed the added performance. The Merlins also run on 100 octane, not something you could find at the pump. Did I mention the 1600lb weight of the Merlin?
11-13-2013, 08:53 AM
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The Merlin is 1600lbs for a 27L, the LS1 is 400lbs for a 5.7L, so not much comparative weight difference there.
The Merlin 61, for example, has a specific power of 0.96 hp/cubic inch at 3000rpm. A stock LS1 is 0.16 hp/cubic inch at 3000rpm. Dual spark enables lower octane, cleaner burn and higher performance.
Pistons are Model T era too, so I don't see where your argument holds water, unless we are talking about internal combustion engines here, oh wait we are.
Push rod engines are still competing in the US market and US motorsport today because being old technology the parts are cheap.
The Merlin 61, for example, has a specific power of 0.96 hp/cubic inch at 3000rpm. A stock LS1 is 0.16 hp/cubic inch at 3000rpm. Dual spark enables lower octane, cleaner burn and higher performance.
Pistons are Model T era too, so I don't see where your argument holds water, unless we are talking about internal combustion engines here, oh wait we are.
Push rod engines are still competing in the US market and US motorsport today because being old technology the parts are cheap.
11-13-2013, 09:44 AM
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And yes I am a Porsche newbie but I just cannot stop wondering why there isn't more internals hacking on these little four bangers? I mean are you saying that increasing oiling capacity, capability, poly coating the internals, using h-rods and forged pistons with a MAF and home built turbo system or merc compressor won't make these little guys sing? Are they really as overly expensive, overly sensitive and complicated power plant?
Just asking B-)
Just asking B-)
11-13-2013, 10:59 AM
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because the gay girlyman German companies sell some interesting cars but,
THEY NEVER GREW A PAIR AND OFFERED A 5 CYLINDER CRATE MOTOR
with at least 3.5 liters of displacement.
and why is that ? because they don't give two ****s about you...
their motto: "just shut up and buy a new Porsche, Audi, BMW or Mercedes!!"
"...our union auto workers need another month's vacation."
and us?
we're desperate for reasonably-priced, dependable power.....
and there are basically zero options from euro engine manufacturers that even come close to a what a v8 offers in terms of power and dependability or ease of installation for even double the cost.... (the only possible solution: the newer VW and Audi 5 cylinders would be expensive to obtain, would require new R&D/install kits to be fabbed and still need to get way bigger on displacement to be worth it).
the V8 944/968 isn't a faux dyno queen with no power under 5000 rpm and torque like a limp noodle.
what it is - is a damned supercar (just needing a decent exhaust)....
the guy I bumped into just outside of Evansville last summer was taking advantage of the great sound made by a y-pipe, then into a 3.5" exhaust with a big resonator and large glasspack out the back. straight pipe baby !!
damn thing sounded incredible.
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11-13-2013, 11:11 AM
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Now that is doing a Porsche the right way. I mean at $4,600 all-in for a stroker?! Refresh951 does know where to get a good deal on machining and parts there is no doubt about that. But that is an impressive build of 400WHP and keeping the agility the car was meant to have. I dunno, jus' say'n dats all...
od if you want a 5 cylinder why not figure a way to stuff a Volvo 5 cylinder turbo into your toy. They will make 350-400 HP with no more than a rod swap, some ARP hardware, K28 turbo and a 3" exhaust. Trouble is in building the torque adapter, but heck if you can shoe horn an LS1 into a 944 then a Volvo should be simple. I've got 270,000 miles on a Volvo 850R running 18 / 22 constant / peak boost with NO MODS - tranny doesn't like it though
od if you want a 5 cylinder why not figure a way to stuff a Volvo 5 cylinder turbo into your toy. They will make 350-400 HP with no more than a rod swap, some ARP hardware, K28 turbo and a 3" exhaust. Trouble is in building the torque adapter, but heck if you can shoe horn an LS1 into a 944 then a Volvo should be simple. I've got 270,000 miles on a Volvo 850R running 18 / 22 constant / peak boost with NO MODS - tranny doesn't like it though
11-13-2013, 11:26 AM
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what did a well-built V8 Chevy ever do to reduce the agility of the 944/968?
and with just replacing my crappy 968 headlamps and their heavy motor assemblies with 993 lamps, I eliminated about 30 pounds (net) off the front of the car (and next stop: a composite hood... kiss another 40 pounds gu-bye)...
now, my V8 will add about 25~30 pounds back, but frankly, if I ever take the car up near 190 mph, I'll surely need some ballast!! but the rest of the time i'll be having that added weight, back near the car's natural center of gravity.....
check out these vids and tell me about all the lost handling after going to a big V8.
RL's Tony G. destroys a Z06 Vette, Cobra, Ferrari 575, 14 M3's
and half a dozen other supercars just for fun....
Part 2: www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pADH2G9ung
Part 3: www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_TNNrX_Mvo
Part 1: www.youtube.com/watch?v=c90zTpqkRDI
with his new car 400 pounds lighter and much more powerful engine,
I can't begin to imagine what his next track days running against Porsche GT2s
and newer Ferraris etc is gonna look like.
and with just replacing my crappy 968 headlamps and their heavy motor assemblies with 993 lamps, I eliminated about 30 pounds (net) off the front of the car (and next stop: a composite hood... kiss another 40 pounds gu-bye)...
now, my V8 will add about 25~30 pounds back, but frankly, if I ever take the car up near 190 mph, I'll surely need some ballast!! but the rest of the time i'll be having that added weight, back near the car's natural center of gravity.....
check out these vids and tell me about all the lost handling after going to a big V8.
RL's Tony G. destroys a Z06 Vette, Cobra, Ferrari 575, 14 M3's
and half a dozen other supercars just for fun....
Part 2: www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pADH2G9ung
Part 3: www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_TNNrX_Mvo
Part 1: www.youtube.com/watch?v=c90zTpqkRDI
with his new car 400 pounds lighter and much more powerful engine,
I can't begin to imagine what his next track days running against Porsche GT2s
and newer Ferraris etc is gonna look like.
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11-13-2013, 11:35 AM
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what did a well-built V8 Chevy ever do to reduce the agility of the 944/968?
do you have any idea how much weight I took off the car when I replaced my crappy 968 headlamps and their heavy motor assemblies with 993 lamps ? I got about 30 pounds off the front of the car.
the V8 will add about 25~30 pounds back, but it'll be well further back near the car's natural center of gravity.....
check out these vids and tell me about all the lost handling after going to a big V8.
do you have any idea how much weight I took off the car when I replaced my crappy 968 headlamps and their heavy motor assemblies with 993 lamps ? I got about 30 pounds off the front of the car.
the V8 will add about 25~30 pounds back, but it'll be well further back near the car's natural center of gravity.....
check out these vids and tell me about all the lost handling after going to a big V8.
BTW alan, your least-favorite/my-favorite caddy motor...an assembled longblock (no manifolds/accessories) is ~310 lbs...
