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How to get more power out of NA, looking for 400hp ++

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Old 10-18-2011, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ritzblitz
Wish it made more torque? Are you kidding me??
Tons of torque here and at the right spot for purpose. 8k+ is also a great achievement. Well done Mr.Mount, great work as usual!
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Bravo! Excuse the noob question, but is it normal for the power curve to end (@ 8000rpm) without reaching a maximum point and starting to decline? Most dyno sheets I have seen drop off at the end. Makes me think there might be more power past 8000rpm? I understand that running an engine at very high RPMs can damage it though.
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Originally Posted by *bj*
Bravo! Excuse the noob question, but is it normal for the power curve to end (@ 8000rpm) without reaching a maximum point and starting to decline? Most dyno sheets I have seen drop off at the end. Makes me think there might be more power past 8000rpm? I understand that running an engine at very high RPMs can damage it though.
Its not a noob question, you're right, there is more and Michael has been running it up to 8500, but as he stated, he will try to bring the power peak down in the rev range a bit by changing cams. The reason is that we need reliability, because Michael is building the engine in the USA and I'll be racing it here in Thailand.

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Old 10-18-2011, 11:57 PM
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Here are a few more pics of the engine on the dyno, and a few from inspection after a ton of pulls to 8100 and one to 8500. I don't think you can tell the rod bearing condition from the photo, but they look new.
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Originally Posted by MAGK944
Tons of torque here and at the right spot for purpose. 8k+ is also a great achievement. Well done Mr.Mount, great work as usual!
Hmm well I see torque but I don't see tons of it? Does Hi rpm HP mean less torque as a rule of thumb?

I know this motor is purpose built but as a general rule what's the deal with the divergence between the torque and HP on this particular build?

Oh and amazing work by the way! I'd have no problems with a big 16v motor for my 951!
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Originally Posted by HJK
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Brian Pauter supplied custom billet rods (on the left) to accommodate the power level and the revised configuration. The big end is Honda size, and the pin bore is .866” (22mm). They’re 6.150” center to center (+ .250” over stock). Oil clearance of .0025” was achieved by stroking the big ends in the Sunnen rod machine.
Was the offset grind on the crank done "just to increase the stroke for displacement" or was it done in order to fit a 6inch plus rod in order to give a favorable rod angle and lower piston speed?

That sounds like a Mopar rod length that being my reason for asking.
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Originally Posted by Dawgz83948
YAY!!!! Wish it made more torque though. Now all you'll need are some VTEC stickers and an H on the hood of your car. Good numbers for a small displacement engine though. Good job.
I do think torque is very good, converted to NM its the same as the current supercharged engine. I'm not complaining and who needs torque ;-)
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Originally Posted by schip43
Hmm well I see torque but I don't see tons of it
Are you smoking crack?

What's with people thinking the engine has no torque!!!!???? Do you understand there isn't a turbocharger?? And its not a V8.
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Originally Posted by ritzblitz
Are you smoking crack?
No! I quit;it was interfering with my golf swing!


Originally Posted by ritzblitz
What's with people thinking the engine has no torque!!!!???? Do you understand there isn't a turbocharger?? And its not a V8.
Yes, that's why I asked! It was a "question” not “criticism” I did not think there was a turbo or 4 extra cylinders hiding between the Dry Sump and ITB's!

Stock motor the HP and torque cruves are close so I “*** u med” this would be also. Sorry did'nt mean to **** in your Wheaties!
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Great work Michael. Very impressive numbers from an n/a motor. Of course people are going to question what happens below 5000rpm however I assume that with a 3.2L n/a motor and high c/r it's going to have enough oomph to get it off the line and out of slow corners. I'd still love to see you tackle a turbo motor. Perhaps something for the future Henk.

Saw a similar looking motor in here somewhere.
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Originally Posted by 333pg333
Great work Michael. Very impressive numbers from an n/a motor. Of course people are going to question what happens below 5000rpm however I assume that with a 3.2L n/a motor and high c/r it's going to have enough oomph to get it off the line and out of slow corners. I'd still love to see you tackle a turbo motor. Perhaps something for the future Henk.

Saw a similar looking motor in here somewhere.
I'm working on getting a 997 cup car, Maybe Michael can make that one into a 4.1 turbo GT2 racer once the current engine is tired......
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Henk,

Amazing project - can't wait to see the results and get your feeling of how it compares to the SC engine. My SC project is slowly emerging - can't install it until after our season is completed in about a month or I'll be out of my class. Planning to give the GT3's a run for their money next year.
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What a fantastic start to this project! (building is only part of it..racing it is where the real FUN begins) I knew those goals were achieveable. Congratulations!
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Well, this is one superb thread, just found it, and thank you. What a great build. It is going to be great to maybe see some performance stats and a video (please?) when it in the car and on the track. :-)
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Originally Posted by schip43
Sorry did'nt mean to **** in your Wheaties!
You didn't. I had to be sure you understood the fact that the torque produced from this engine is a lot...


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