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Old 12-02-2008, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by SeaCay
I knew someone would get it. Thanks.
Got ya back my friend.

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Originally Posted by 153BigBlock
Sounds like a big money loser to me Next time my control arms need rebuilding, I will take Genikz suggestion and go for the steel arms I used to have before I converted.
There you guys go speculating again without having the final results.

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Originally Posted by Chads996
There you guys go speculating again without having the final results.

C.

Good luck finding enough 944 cheaptards to support your mass production.
Old 12-02-2008, 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Chads996
And guys - don't get all heated with SeaCay. He is a good guy who is simply making sure that nobody gets hurt. I can respect that. Please do the same.

C.
I think if anyone gets hurt, SeaCay wants to do it. That's what he's trained for right?
Old 12-02-2008, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 153BigBlock
Good luck finding enough 944 cheaptards to support your mass production.
Old 12-02-2008, 11:48 PM
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if you get serious, I work for a heat treating company - so stress relieving, hardening, whatever you need (as well as sandblasting, case hardening, and some other stuff)

I'd love to see it done; I also think that SFR has some of the most decent prices on their stuff; not cheap, but cheaper(?) then others
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Originally Posted by azbanks
I think if anyone gets hurt, SeaCay wants to do it. That's what he's trained for right?
Actually? No.

I was a PJ in the USAF, that's emergency medicine in the boonies, ya know, SAVING lives.

Now I'm a PT, not saving lives but dealing with people with injuries and such.

Any questions?
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Originally Posted by harrisonrick
Leave it to someone to start a lawsuit before anyone has even made a product, or seen how it has been tested.
I know what you mean. I really sucks when someone injects reality into the conversation.

Reminds me of when I was a kid reading playboy. No matter how i twisted the page, no matter how hard I looked, (or licked), no matter what i did, the reality was I always ended up with just a fantasy.
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Side note: I know you guys are all talking really nice performance pieces but you might also take a peek at what is coming out now on street cars. I recently had an arm off of my 06 VW Jetta, It appeared to be nothing more than a stamped plate (could be waterjet cut) supported by a mig welded rim and it was spray painted (or maybe dipped). Heavy yes, but very tough.

On the legal thing, one friend told me that the question I had to get an answer to was, "How much does it cost for an LLC to defend itself in another state, say Tx?"
Bruce

Innovators always tend to **** us off, right before we fall in love with them...;]
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Originally Posted by Chads996

EDIT: The intention of this thread was to question the cost of fabricating quality replacement control arms. No (and I do mean NO) disrespect was intended to those already producing these replacement components.

And guys - don't get all heated with SeaCay. He is a good guy who is simply making sure that nobody gets hurt. I can respect that. Please do the same.

C.
Well said. I don't discount what Seacay is saying about legal ramifications, but we havn't even seen the final products yet, nor do we know what their specs are, or what testing will or has been done. We don't know what qualifications the fabricator has either.

I don't doubt SFR or LR control arms or their quality, but the intent here is to see if someone can build a more affordable replacement plain and simple.

My panties are not bunched up over this fellas, that's for sure. Its all good.
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Good stuff folks. Don't forget - "...inspiration is the heart of innovation."

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I don't want to track my car. I don't nwant to lower my car. I don't want to have the adjustability of a track car. I just want a good quality alternative to the stock late control arms at a reasonable cost. It would also be great if they cost less to maintain.
I don't ask for much.
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Originally Posted by Hawk36
I don't want to track my car. I don't nwant to lower my car. I don't want to have the adjustability of a track car. I just want a good quality alternative to the stock late control arms at a reasonable cost. It would also be great if they cost less to maintain.
I don't ask for much.
Then in your case the cheapest and best alternative is to maintin the current arms you have. the simple replacement of teh ball joints before they wear to the point of damaging your arm whould et you a half million miles or more. That's been proven by a few cars with that mileage.
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Originally Posted by Hawk36
I don't want to track my car. I don't nwant to lower my car. I don't want to have the adjustability of a track car. I just want a good quality alternative to the stock late control arms at a reasonable cost. It would also be great if they cost less to maintain.
I don't ask for much.
Actually since you have an 85.5 get the steel arms. They will work on the car with change to the caster block and swaybar mounting. No change to offset is required.
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I have done a little bit of research on the liability concerns, and I think I may need to form an LLC and obtain insurance (if and when we actually come out with a product for sale). Obviously, the idea would be to protect my family's financial interest if the worst case scenario ever happens. Anyone with actual experience in similar legal matters, please feel free to chime in.

I have also started to plan the structural analysis. I plan to use finite element analysis (static stress, deflection) to validate and optimize the design and use textbook weld analysis methods to estimate fatigue life (cycles to failure). The analysis will be based on loads that assume proper installation in the oem position and maintenance of the connecting points (no binding at the bushings, sway bar mount, or ball joint), racing spring rates (~600 lb/in?), and a racing sway bar (welt?) set to full stiff setting. The highest load condition will be a combined braking and cornering load. I will assume a wide R-compound tire at threshold braking and 1.25 g cornering. Anyone have a 944 that exceeds that?


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